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Canadian Federal Election 44 - Sep 2021

Good2Golf

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Glass half full: LPC platform committed to growing Strat and tactical lift capabilities in the CAF.
Strat - a few Bombardier 650 Challengers down the road from Dauphin’s Papineau riding, and a few more to come, check.
Tac - the check will be in the mail sometime…
 

Brad Sallows

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Yes, a overwhelming amount of Saskbertans think the CPC are viable, but more Canadians from all regions think that the CPC are not viable,

The choices of voters don't mean a party is not "credible" or "viable". There are always more losing parties than victorious parties after an election.
 

Altair

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It's impossible to cost out how much standing militaries "save" by preventing war. But war is much more expensive.
I imagine Canadians know the reality of our geopolitical position.

1) If Canada spent 4 percent of our GDP, double the NATO requirement and on par with the percent the USA spends, it would not prevent any geopolitical conflict from breaking out.

2)Canadians know that the USA wont let their NATO partner and longest border suddenly fall to any enemy or instability so if the USA would step in why does Canada need to?

3) Canadians know that every other country knows number 2
 

Remius

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We also do not the history of armed revolution here. I think Quebec tried once for a few months and it ended poorly. So there is really little "need" for them here like people think in the USA.

I thought you were complaining about the costs?

If the economy grows it lessens the impact of the debt. Which is what Trudeau was trying to say when he said the debt will take care of itself, but of course memes are much easier to do than talk about monetary policy.

Exactly my point. So we could throw 30 billion over 5 years to jump start a nascent domestic arms industry or actually get some use out of that money. Again, I love the military, being in it, but as currently organized in Canada, its a money sink.

Lets just admit that 30 billion over 5 years will not do anything in this regard.

Its being planned by the provinces. Its funded by the feds. Is that not the best plan?

Good luck with that.

Who is encroaching on Canadians waters that our current navy cannot deal with?

I think America would have something to say about that which is why most Canadians are not overly concerned about it.
This is the problem with Defence in Canada. Who is encroaching on canadian waters? Right. Maybe not anytime soon but our Arctic territorial waters are constantly challenged. I don’t think we have or will have the capability to enforce our sovereignty on that area unless we focus on spending and investing in capability and hardware. China, the US and Russia just to name a few. We are falling behind and may not be able to catch because of that exact mindset.
 

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My CPC Candidate did not win, but for a new guy, he held his own against a very competent politician (Wilkinson) with a lot of support, when I say competent, he is very good at making you think your heard and playing to the audience, but to put it politely he is very malleable, I am sure if he felt it would keep him employed he would deftly switch parties at a drop of the hat, without losing a beat. Canada election results: North Vancouver | Globalnews.ca

The West Vancouver race is tighter, still not confirmed but Liberal has the lead but not all votes are counted yet.
 

Altair

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The choices of voters don't mean a party is not "credible" or "viable". There are always more losing parties than victorious parties after an election.
Simple answer to that is that the losing parties are all not viable alternatives if the Canadian public didn't choose them.

More complicated answer to that is that the composition of the house of commons determines viability of any party and if the LPC didn't have a dance partner it wouldn't matter if they got 168 seats, no party would be viable.

Either way, the CPC have no dance partners to win the confidence of the house and not enough seats and this is because they didn't win enough ridings which says to me that they are not a viable alternative.

Very good officicial opposition party though.
 

Altair

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This is the problem with Defence in Canada. Who is encroaching on canadian waters? Right. Maybe not anytime soon but our Arctic territorial waters are constantly challenged. I don’t think we have or will have the capability to enforce our sovereignty on that area unless we focus on spending and investing in capability and hardware. China, the US and Russia just to name a few. We are falling behind and may not be able to catch because of that exact mindset.
Two administrations tried to somewhat deal with it.

Both have been utter failures.

And Canadians don't care.

The fact of the matter is defence has always been in back of mind for Canadian voters. And as such, there are no votes to be won on the subject. Thankfully our geography and military alliances keep us safe.
 

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Strat - a few Bombardier 650 Challengers down the road from Dauphin’s Papineau riding, and a few more to come, check.
Tac - the check will be in the mail sometime…
Well, I guess we could just buy from a proven producer like Sikorsky. Their products arrive on time, on budget and meet the tech specs, right?
 

Remius

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Two administrations tried to somewhat deal with it.

Both have been utter failures.

And Canadians don't care.

The fact of the matter is defence has always been in back of mind for Canadian voters. And as such, there are no votes to be won on the subject. Thankfully our geography and military alliances keep us safe.
I’m not arguing that. Just the mindset that we think that geography and alliances keep us safe. The US is one that does not recognize our sovereignty up there. You asked who is threatening our coastal waters. I answered. Your premise is that our coastal waters are not threatened. Your premise is wrong.

That’s all.
 

Altair

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I’m not arguing that. Just the mindset that we think that geography and alliances keep us safe. The US is one that does not recognize our sovereignty up there. You asked who is threatening our coastal waters. I answered. Your premise is that our coastal waters are not threatened. Your premise is wrong.

That’s all.
I get what you mean, but for right or wrong, I don't think shipping and drilling rights gets peoples interest in the same way as physical loss or damage of canadian territory.
 

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I don't know, passive-aggressive congratulations when you're about to fire your minister of health and come begging for federal aid may not be the best choice here.

I can’t even bring myself to schadenfreude on this one. Loathsome as I feel Kennedy’s ‘leadership’ has been, I grieve for Albertans in this. I hope the feds are in some sort of shape to assist.
 

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I can’t even bring myself to schadenfreude on this one. Loathsome as I feel Kennedy’s ‘leadership’ has been, I grieve for Albertans in this. I hope the feds are in some sort of shape to assist.

'minority government'... nice dig Mr. Glass House :)

logan lerman love GIF
 

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Yes, a overwhelming amount of Saskbertans think the CPC are viable, but more Canadians from all regions think that the CPC are not viable, especially in urban Canada.
I think that you are completely ignoring the fact that by latest count 5,447,509 "Canadians" voted CPC while only 5,189,909 voted LPC. The LPC won more seats because of how those votes are distributed across individual ridings.

It's one thing to say that the LPC won more ridings, which they did.

It's completely erroneous to say that "Canadians from all regions think that the CPC are not viable."

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SupersonicMax

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The cost of doing "business" is far cheaper than not doing "business".
How much has Canada’s military actually deterred the enemy? Deterrence, in our case, is achieved through our alliances. Also, given that since 1812, there hasn’t been a persistent, credible threat to Canada (or at least perceived), there is no interest, politically, to do more than the minimum necessary to keep our allies happy and our alliances intact.
 

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2)Canadians know that the USA wont let their NATO partner and longest border suddenly fall to any enemy or instability so if the USA would step in why does Canada need to?

So that the USA doesn't take what it wants from the periphery and waters of a free-riding and weak neighbour?
 

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Whatever some save on childcare, we'll lose in carbon tax, homeowner tax, tax, tax, tax. Everything trudeau gives away comes from taxpayers. He just plays a massive shell/scam game. And he gives away a lot. Especially, non recoverable, massive foreign grants with no accounting, terms of reference or follow up auditing. That is all hard working taxpayer money that will never come back to Canada. And of course, on another tact, the ChiComs now have until the next election to cement their influence, in government, real estate, R&D and manufacturing. All totally unhindered by the trudeau socialists. I wonder how many more viruses and bio weapons will be allowed to go to Red China and how much info Huawei will siphon from our cyber network. In 2030, you will own nothing and you will be happy.
 
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