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Canadian Federal Election 44 - Sep 2021

Altair

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I may be mistaken but I do believe he had a majority when he/they ran on that....


By golly I think you're right!



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I agree. But I'm not living in 2015.

I'm living in 2021. Who is supporting electoral reform NOW?

Nobody but the NDP?

Okay, I rest my case.
 

mariomike

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I'm not living in 2015.

For those still stuck in that bygone era, 53 pages of it,

 

Halifax Tar

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I agree. But I'm not living in 2015.

I'm living in 2021. Who is supporting electoral reform NOW?

Nobody but the NDP?

Okay, I rest my case.

How about 2020 ?

Perhaps the parties don't... Your case is not at rest.

What do the people say ?

 

Altair

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How about 2020 ?

Perhaps the parties don't... Your case is not at rest.

What do the people say ?

Its completely at rest. Despite a brief aberration in 2015 where the LPC ran on it, no political party until the 4th place party in parliament wants it.

Again, if it was JUST the LPC against it, I would have hope. But are you suggesting that if the CPC won we would see them bring in electoral reform?

Don't piss on my head and call it rain.

The top two parties in Canada don't want it, regardless of the voters feelings on the subject, so unless those voters are willing to vote for the NDP enough that they win a majority government then nothing is going to happen. And I don't see that happening.
 

Halifax Tar

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Its completely at rest. Despite a brief aberration in 2015 where the LPC ran on it, no political party until the 4th place party in parliament wants it.

Again, if it was JUST the LPC against it, I would have hope. But are you suggesting that if the CPC won we would see them bring in electoral reform?

Don't piss on my head and call it rain.

The top two parties in Canada don't want it, regardless of the voters feelings on the subject, so unless those voters are willing to vote for the NDP enough that they win a majority government then nothing is going to happen. And I don't see that happening.

Just because its not on a platform does not meant its not a topic. In fact I think it really shows the arrogance of our 2 main parties.

Every poll I can find shows Canadians want a better electoral system. The Liberal party ran on that and forgot it existed it when the found what was wanted wouldn't suit them best. So what you have is one party essentially our right admitting they are more interested in what's best for them than the country as a whole.

Trying to absolve the Liberals of sin because the Cons don have it on their platform is simple parlor games.
 

Altair

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Just because its not on a platform does not meant its not a topic. In fact I think it really shows the arrogance of our 2 main parties.

Every poll I can find shows Canadians want a better electoral system. The Liberal party ran on that and forgot it existed it when the found what was wanted wouldn't suit them best. So what you have is one party essentially our right admitting they are more interested in what's best for them than the country as a whole.

Trying to absolve the Liberals of sin because the Cons don have it on their platform is simple parlor games.
Both are guilty.

The LPC, the CPC, the BQ, they are all guilty.

Since all of them are standing in the way of electoral reform means I don't place the blame on one party in particular. The LPC in 2015, fine, granted, they are more guilty than most. Since then, in the 2 elections since they are all equally guilty and as such it will never happen. The NDP are the next best chance at electoral reform and they have all of 26 seats in parliament.
 

Halifax Tar

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Both are guilty.

The LPC, the CPC, the BQ, they are all guilty.

Since all of them are standing in the way of electoral reform means I don't place the blame on one party in particular. The LPC in 2015, fine, granted, they are more guilty than most. Since then, in the 2 elections since they are all equally guilty and as such it will never happen. The NDP are the next best chance at electoral reform and they have all of 26 seats in parliament.

No 1 party stood in the way of electoral reform. With a majority in parliament.

They other two are guilty of it being absent on their platforms. Hell one of them is a regional obstructionist party who never has a hope in hell of forming government, the other is the BQ ;) See what I did there ?
 

Altair

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No 1 party stood in the way of electoral reform. With a majority in parliament.
I'll give you that.
They other two are guilty of it being absent on their platforms.

Old, from 2018, but nothing said on the subject since.

The Conservative Party believes the discussion of possible changes to the electoral system is valuable in a healthy democracy. In reviewing options for electoral reform, we believe the government should not endorse any new electoral system that will weaken the link between Members of Parliament and their constituents, that will create unmanageably large ridings, or that will strengthen the control of the party machinery over individual Members of Parliament. 4 A national referendum must be held prior to implementing any future electoral reform proposal.
So last word from them they don't want MMP or PR.

I doubt they want ranked ballot. Neither are they running on changing the electoral system. So I think its fair to say they are not going to change anything if they win


Hell one of them is a regional obstructionist party who never has a hope in hell of forming government, the other is the BQ ;) See what I did there ?
I do, I got a chuckle.

Still doesn't change the fact that electoral reform is dead in this country and I've come to accept that.
 

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The NDP is equally guilty of selfish posturing. Where they would benefit (federally), they might like a particular kind of reform. Where they would not benefit (eg. provincially in BC), they are just as status quo as everyone else.
 

Altair

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The NDP is equally guilty of selfish posturing. Where they would benefit (federally), they might like a particular kind of reform. Where they would not benefit (eg. provincially in BC), they are just as status quo as everyone else.
It is true.

Which is why I said they are the next best hope, not next best sure thing.

But looking through the options

LPC-No hope

CPC-No hope

BQ- No hope for multiple reasons

NDP- Some hope.

Would a NDP elected using FPTP then change the system that got them into power? Questionable.

I think the CAQ government in Quebec is a good example of what tends to happen.

The Quebec government will not hold a referendum in 2022 on whether to reform the province's electoral system, the minister in charge of the file said Wednesday.

The electoral reform bill, Bill 39, proposes moving Quebec from its current first-past-the-post system to a mixed-member proportional representation system.

But it also stipulates that before the new electoral system can be implemented, the public needs to approve it in a referendum — to be held at the same time as the 2022 provincial election.

LeBel blamed the pandemic for scotching that plan. "We'll see what the public health situation is in September," she said.
 
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