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[Haggis]

Even some traditionally left o' centre media are underwhelmed by the PM ...

Trudeau survived SNC, JWR, blackface, India and Norman and still won the last election.  He'll survive this and look decisive in the end.  Remember, today's Liberal party is more of a personality cult that a political organization.  They will tank the next election without Trudeau.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Trudeau survived SNC, JWR, blackface, India and Norman and still won the last election.  He'll survive this and look decisive in the end.  Remember, today's Liberal party is more of a personality cult that a political organization.  They will tank the next election without Trudeau.

While I don't think the incumbent is for the axe before the next election, right this second, I think that bit in yellow may still depend on who's running on the other teams (mostly Team Blue), even with JT.

 

[Brad Sallows]

>Remember, today's Liberal party is more of a personality cult that a political organization.

That might seem true, but only for now.  The LPC has a long history of being a party that coalesces around whatever it takes to win and retain power.

 

[Good2Golf]

Just so it is clear, the CDS does not get asked directly for support. Nor can he offer support directly. Requests come in from provinces normally get filtered through to the Minister of Public safety, who sends a Request for Assistance to the MND. The MND will then make a decision to authorize the assistance and task the CDS to provide said assistance. There is usually a lot of back and forth between the MPS, MND, and the provinces (with advice from the CDS) to ensure the scope of the assistance is precise. There are often things that are asked for that are not provided because they were not authorized by the MND.

The NDA (specifically Sect. 277) and QR&O (23.04) disagree with you.

NDA §277. Where a riot or disturbance occurs or is considered as likely to occur, the attorney general of the province in which the place where the riot or disturbance occurs or is considered as likely to occur is situated, on the initiative of the attorney general or on the receipt of notification from a judge of a superior, county or district court having jurisdiction in the place that the services of the Canadian Forces are required in aid of the civil power, may, by requisition in writing addressed to the Chief of the Defence Staff, require the Canadian Forces, or such part thereof as the Chief of the Defence Staff or such officer as the Chief of the Defence Staff may designate considers necessary, to be called out on service in aid of the civil power.

Curious as to what legislation counters this Direct request from AG to CDS?

Regards
G2G

 

[Haggis]

Before a request for ALEA/ACP gets to this level, it must be shown that the substantial resources of the SQ and the RCMP have been deemed insufficient to deal with the situation and the only remaining recourse is to deploy those elements of the CAF which the CDS deems appropriate, and authorized by the minister.  In this case, railroads fall under the category of critical infrastructure so the RCMP would have the jurisdiction to assist the SQ when asked, long before the CAF would get involved.

We are still a long, long way from a Trudeau Sr. style "just watch me" moment from this PM.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Just posting here since this is the most train related thread?

Another train derailment. 2nd in 2 days, this one's. In BC (I've read that a "source" claimed something was put on the track but it's unconfirmed)

12 train derailments since December. Are train derailments that common?

 

[MilEME09]

Just posting here since this is the most train related thread?

Another train derailment. 2nd in 2 days, this one's. In BC (I've read that a "source" claimed something was put on the track but it's unconfirmed)

12 train derailments since December. Are train derailments that common?

https://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/stats/rail/2018/sser-ssro-2018.html

Only 8% result in derailment

 

[AbdullahD]

https://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/stats/rail/2018/sser-ssro-2018.html

Only 8% result in derailment

Very interesting..

Just posting here since this is the most train related thread?

Another train derailment. 2nd in 2 days, this one's. In BC (I've read that a "source" claimed something was put on the track but it's unconfirmed)

12 train derailments since December. Are train derailments that common?

Were did you get that figure from? 12 derailments since december in BC alone??? If you count non-main track and private industries that have yard goats or use cables.. then 12 since December in BC north makes sense (yes exaggerating a little).

In my 3 years of being employed by CNR... in the 219.20 miles from smithers to Prince rupert. Counting DP Intermodal port, Prince rupert grain, RTI coal, pinnacle pellets and the multiple different mills...

I have heard of, been involved in or seen.. one sec need to count..
2 in 2017 from nov to end of year..
3 from DP world
2 from RTI
2 from the port (Alaska barge, pinnacle, raymont etc)
1 from 2020
PRG had an incident too while kicking too
so 11 derailments just off the top of my head... just on our west run only including industries and port. So fourty percent? Chance of seeing a derailment each month on our west run? This only counting what I remember of the top of my head or have heard of.. very good chance I've missed a bunch of minor ones like a car derailing, but able to re-rail using a unit etc.

Again this is no way an authoritative list and should not be used as fact (in fact if CN is watching ^^ none of these were CNs fault lol)
Abdullah

 

[Jarnhamar]

Thanks I was hoping you would chime in.

It looked like 12 derailments Canada wide since December, 3 in BC.

 

[AbdullahD]

Thanks I was hoping you would chime in.

It looked like 12 derailments Canada wide since December, 3 in BC.

Yeah, I have severe reservations regarding the honesty of those statistics. I personally feel.. however rightly or wrongly the number of derailments is much higher.

I can only speak to CN and CP.. brother in law is a track maintenance foreman for CP. BNSF, SRY and a wack load of other short lines or class ones that do not have a lot of track in Canada.. I know nothing about.

I personally suspect, that reporting of derailments is not always.. shall I say "required". So transport Canada has a very.. limited view of the situation. My time and my chats with my brother in law, who has much more seniority on railroads then I do, has led me to this belief. Take as you will, I could be wrong.

But as a neat aside, transport Canada has been showing up and doing random ride alongs this year.. quite interesting occurence I think.

Abdullah

 

[Altair]

Possibly - but I'd be willing to bet that the weather over the last 2 days has alot to do with it.  Wait until Monday-Tuesday when its above 0c again.

And the last blockade is down, no bloodshed.  These thing tend to run out of steam when denied oxygen.

 

[captloadie]

The NDA (specifically Sect. 277) and QR&O (23.04) disagree with you.

Curious as to what legislation counters this Direct request from AG to CDS?

Regards
G2G

I'm not arguing with what the regulations may say, I'm only putting it out there on how things actually occur. There were two occurrences this summer in which we assisted law enforcement officials, and the process used was as I stated. As mentioned by Haggis, the RCMP is the organization responsible to respond before the CAF. When they can't fulfill a request, their Minister (MPS) makes the request to us. And, let us not forget, that in this day and age, every response is a political response first and foremost. Even when a request is within his lanes as per regulation, there must always be a review by those organizations that are concerned about the political and legal ramifications of acting.

 

[The Bread Guy]

And the last blockade is down ...

Don't want to be jinxing it by using absolutes like that  ;D

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Y
But as a neat aside, transport Canada has been showing up and doing random ride alongs this year.. quite interesting occurence I think.

Abdullah

Yea I found Surface group was just a tad to "close" to the rail companies, that was changing near the end of my career, i think some more forceful leadership was needed.

 

[Jarnhamar]

And the last blockade is down, no bloodshed.  These thing tend to run out of steam when denied oxygen.

You rekon the RCMP are going to go after those AK47 assault rifles on the reserve/s in Quebec now?

 

[YZT580]

not likely.  They are too busy confiscating 22's from farmers that have them tucked up behind the stove

 

[mariomike]

In my 3 years of being employed by CNR... in the 219.20 miles from smithers to Prince rupert. Counting DP Intermodal port, Prince rupert grain, RTI coal, pinnacle pellets and the multiple different mills...

I have heard of, been involved in or seen.. one sec need to count..
2 in 2017 from nov to end of year..
3 from DP world
2 from RTI
2 from the port (Alaska barge, pinnacle, raymont etc)
1 from 2020
PRG had an incident too while kicking too
so 11 derailments just off the top of my head... just on our west run only including industries and port. So fourty percent? Chance of seeing a derailment each month on our west run? This only counting what I remember of the top of my head or have heard of.. very good chance I've missed a bunch of minor ones like a car derailing, but able to re-rail using a unit etc.

Again this is no way an authoritative list and should not be used as fact (in fact if CN is watching ^^ none of these were CNs fault lol)
Abdullah

Derailment. I bet when the crew calls it in over the radio it's, "We're on the ground!!!"

Abdullah, I hope you stay safe, and enjoy your career.

 

[my72jeep]

I was contracting to CP a few years back on a weed sprayer. I was siting on a track in the main Winnipeg yard when the cars on the next track being moved for me derailed. I sat there for  20 seconds watching as the cars jumped the tracks and took out both the north and south CP tracks through Winnipeg cutting the country in half. Took them 2 hours to get trains moving as only other options was sending trains through Chicago. It’s very humbling to watch a derailment happen 3 feet away.

 

[Good2Golf]

I'm not arguing with what the regulations may say, I'm only putting it out there on how things actually occur. There were two occurrences this summer in which we assisted law enforcement officials, and the process used was as I stated. As mentioned by Haggis, the RCMP is the organization responsible to respond before the CAF. When they can't fulfill a request, their Minister (MPS) makes the request to us. And, let us not forget, that in this day and age, every response is a political response first and foremost. Even when a request is within his lanes as per regulation, there must always be a review by those organizations that are concerned about the political and legal ramifications of acting.

I get, trust me. Past CDS SA and I have more than a few coffees together in 101’s cafeteria and muse about how life would be so much better I f it was so simpler...

#TheoryVsPractice

:nod:

 

[Altair]

You rekon the RCMP are going to go after those AK47 assault rifles on the reserve/s in Quebec now?

No.