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British Army lowers minimum rank required to become helicopter pilot. Privates can now apply.

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Directorate of Flight Safety enters the chat :ROFLMAO:
DFS himself attended the exercise by invitation. Every rule followed to a T. You’d be amazed what a Temporary Tactical Flying Area would support…in a major urban center, no less.🏬🏢🏫🏢 🚁 💨 🏢🏬
 

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But doesn't DC and the Capitol area have all kinds of weird and special flight rules anyway?
 

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Yes, certainly some very restrictive airspace control measures in DC. This, however, is North LA.
North LA? Are they planning Blackhawk Down Part Deux or another Snake Pliskin 'Escape From.." movie?

OK, OK, I kid.:)
 

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North LA? Are they planning Blackhawk Down Part Deux or another Snake Pliskin 'Escape From.." movie?

OK, OK, I kid.:)
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Actually they’ve (160th SOAR) flow in urban ops in LA, NYC, Chicago, New Orleans, Minn-St.Paul, Tampa at least that I know of and probably others we don’t know about, for MOUT.
 

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We've had Griffins, from Pet, down here doing urban stuff before. Dropping guys on roofs and recovering from the same. Plus some other stuff. Right downtown and less than a kilometer from the international border.

In our case, do they have to co-ordinate their airspace usage with Detroit. I thought our airspace was partially controlled by the Detroit tower? We have a tower here, but not like theirs.
 

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Actually they’ve (160th SOAR) flow in urban ops in LA, NYC, Chicago, New Orleans, Minn-St.Paul, Tampa at least that I know of and probably others we don’t know about, for MOUT.
We call it RUT now - Realistic Urban Training - or RUTT (R U Tactical Training) - depends on who wrote the Plan.

Limited to JSOC side of the house - so the Vanilla SOF side doesn't get to play - but Dallas, Boston (where the DG dog almost ate Brady's arm) and pretty much any other major metropolis too.
 

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We call it RUT now - Realistic Urban Training - or RUTT (R U Tactical Training) - depends on who wrote the Plan.

Limited to JSOC side of the house - so the Vanilla SOF side doesn't get to play - but Dallas, Boston (where the DG dog almost ate Brady's arm) and pretty much any other major metropolis too.

Because 'RUTTING' is so Ivy League, right? ;)
 

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We've had Griffins, from Pet, down here doing urban stuff before. Dropping guys on roofs and recovering from the same. Plus some other stuff. Right downtown and less than a kilometer from the international border.

In our case, do they have to co-ordinate their airspace usage with Detroit. I thought our airspace was partially controlled by the Detroit tower? We have a tower here, but not like theirs.
Yes, a number of Detroit Metro controlled airspace elements extend (by mutual CAN-US agreement) over the Windsor ‘metro’ area as well. There are a variety of altitudes that determine how far into Ontario that the KTDW Class B controlled airspace (eg. SFC, 2500’, 3000’ 3500’ 4000’, 6000’ and 9000’, all up to 10000’) extends over adjacent Canadian controlled or uncontrolled airspace (3000’, 4000’ and 6000’ specifically over Windsor/SE Ontario). Detroits Class B airspace (and other similarly controlled airspace at major airports) is like an upside down wedding cake, layers closer to the ground are smaller in diameter (centered around the airport) and higher layers stacked on top of each lower layer has a larger diameter. If you’re below a certain altitude, you can generally be closer to the airport, based on the diameter of each of the rings. The higher you go, though, the greater the chance you’ll be in the controlled airspace itself and thus have to comply with ATC instructions. Class B airspace has the highest altitude of applicability of all the lower airspace regions, up to 10,000’ above sea level. Class C up to 4,000’ usually and so on. Here’s an undated picture of Detroit Metro’s airspace and you can see that it’s B-Class control zone extends over Windsor in three rings (dark blue solid = Class B airspace…fully controlled by ATC, they can refuse entry if they wish, unlike Class C or D where you just make contact but they can’t refuse entry) with the closet ring to Detroit starting at 3000’ AGL, then a bit further away starting at 4000’ AGL and the last ring starting at 6000’…all three rings capped at 10000’. On the cart, each ring has a floor and top, so 100/30 means Top 10000’/Floor 3000’, 100/40 means Top 10000’/Floor 4000’, etc. if you’re in Ontarios below one of these Detroit Class B altitude floors, then you revert to the Canadian airspace, which is a small Class D zone (the blue dashed circle) around the ‘check-mark’ shaped runway of the Windsor Airport from SFC to 3000’ and un trolled Class G airspace below Detroit Class B, everywhere else in Ontario. Out of courtesy, one would be talking with Detroit Arrival/Terminal Control, even if they were below Detroit’s Class B airspace, since Detroit ARR is likely flowing aircraft in from YYZ over your head… 😉 Detroit Arrival or Toronto Center would also likely have assigned a transponder code (‘squawk’) so they could pull secondary radar or ADS-B information into their system to ensure suitable traffic control and deconfliction.

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Yes, a number of Detroit Metro controlled airspace elements extend (by mutual CAN-US agreement) over the Windsor ‘metro’ area as well. There are a variety of altitudes that determine how far into Ontario that the KTDW Class B controlled airspace (eg. SFC, 2500’, 3000’ 3500’ 4000’, 6000’ and 9000’, all up to 10000’) extends over adjacent Canadian controlled or uncontrolled airspace (3000’, 4000’ and 6000’ specifically over Windsor/SE Ontario). Detroits Class B airspace (and other similarly controlled airspace at major airports) is like an upside down wedding cake, layers closer to the ground are smaller in diameter (centered around the airport) and higher layers stacked on top of each lower layer has a larger diameter. If you’re below a certain altitude, you can generally be closer to the airport, based on the diameter of each of the rings. The higher you go, though, the greater the chance you’ll be in the controlled airspace itself and thus have to comply with ATC instructions. Class B airspace has the highest altitude of applicability of all the lower airspace regions, up to 10,000’ above sea level. Class C up to 4,000’ usually and so on. Here’s an undated picture of Detroit Metro’s airspace and you can see that it’s B-Class control zone extends over Windsor in three rings (dark blue solid = Class B airspace…fully controlled by ATC, they can refuse entry if they wish, unlike Class C or D where you just make contact but they can’t refuse entry) with the closet ring to Detroit starting at 3000’ AGL, then a bit further away starting at 4000’ AGL and the last ring starting at 6000’…all three rings capped at 10000’. On the cart, each ring has a floor and top, so 100/30 means Top 10000’/Floor 3000’, 100/40 means Top 10000’/Floor 4000’, etc. if you’re in Ontarios below one of these Detroit Class B altitude floors, then you revert to the Canadian airspace, which is a small Class D zone (the blue dashed circle) around the ‘check-mark’ shaped runway of the Windsor Airport from SFC to 3000’ and un trolled Class G airspace below Detroit Class B, everywhere else in Ontario. Out of courtesy, one would be talking with Detroit Arrival/Terminal Control, even if they were below Detroit’s Class B airspace, since Detroit ARR is likely flowing aircraft in from YYZ over your head… 😉 Detroit Arrival or Toronto Center would also likely have assigned a transponder code (‘squawk’) so they could pull secondary radar or ADS-B information into their system to ensure suitable traffic control and deconfliction.

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Whew! Tanks G2G. I'm going to keep reading that and take it in little chunks until I can make heads and tails of it. Appreciate the time you took to respond.

I just noticed they have Jerry Billing's little grass strip listed out past Essex. He had Cliff Robertson's (American actor) Spitfire until he couldn't fly anymore. He used to fly it around here all the time. You knew he was up because you couldn't miss the sound of that Merlin engine.

 
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Whew! Tanks G2G. I'm going to keep reading that and take it in little chunks until I can make heads and tails of it. Appreciate the time you took to respond.
Now do that shizzle on NVGs while avoiding power lines and buildings and try to get folks in the right spot, at the right time, and keep others who shouldn’t see you from seeing you….oh, and not hit your formation mate, either!

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Now do that shizzle on NVGs while avoiding power lines and buildings and try to get folks in the right spot, at the right time, and keep others who shouldn’t see you from seeing you….oh, and not hit your formation mate, either!

🌶 🌶 🌶

Meanwhile, the Infantry is late/ not at the correct DOP/PUP... and they ripped the door off when they got in/out ;)
 

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Meanwhile, the Infantry is late/ not at the correct DOP/PUP... and they ripped the door off when they got in/out ;)
Green troops get dropped off at least a grid square from the intended LZ, sorry man…it’s SOP. 😆
 

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Green troops get dropped off at least a grid square from the intended LZ, sorry man…it’s SOP. 😆

That was an RAF SH SOP.

RN wocka wockas were usually right on the dot, day or night, snowstorm or gale force wind.

AAC could usually be relied upon to make sure that you dismounted in dead ground, which was my favourite of course ;)
 
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