Basic Up

[benny88]

could also be the fact to emphasize females in the military and how they are no fully integrated inot every aspect of training, Didn't the intro start with something about what year females were finally part of BMQ?

  They could have picked better to profile. I know of some girls under 110 lbs who were pretty damn hard at CFLRS, with good attitudes to boot.

  IMHO Weremko and Dumont set a bad example for women wanting to join the Forces. For those of you who have not yet done IAP/BMQ, NEVER ask an instructor "Are you serious?" or say "I dunno."  :

 

[zzyzx723]

Great show, just finished Ep 9 and I leave for BMQ on Saturday morning. It got me really hyped up.  ;D

As an aside, Weremko's sister is a dime. :blotto:

 

[benny88]

As an aside, Weremko's sister is a dime. :blotto:

  Seen.

 

[Celticgirl]

   They could have picked better to profile. I know of some girls under 110 lbs who were pretty damn hard at CFLRS, with good attitudes to boot.

   IMHO Weremko and Dumont set a bad example for women wanting to join the Forces. For those of you who have not yet done IAP/BMQ, NEVER ask an instructor "Are you serious?" or say "I dunno."  :

At the grad ceremony, Weremko mentioned that there were 12 females starting out and only 3 graduated. I guess at the time of the Basic Up taping, there weren't too many success stories to profile. Weremko didn't even complete the ruck march, so I can only imagine how the others fared.  :

 

[armyvern]

could also be the fact to emphasize females in the military and how they are no fully integrated inot every aspect of training, Didn't the intro start with something about what year females were finally part of BMQ?

I did the exact same Basic Trg (now known as BMQ) waaaaaayyy back in 1988 as the male counterparts in my Platoon (6 platoon - 8804 BTW) and section. After two friggin' decades you'd think we'd be over this hump by now, funny thing is CF members seem to be over it.

Two decades !! Get over it already. The females and males in the CF certainly seemed to have gotten over the "what a shock "a girl!!" factor.

Why the heck are you still focussing on this "female" thing?? We all do our training, we all do our jobs, and we all pass or fail. Sex plays no part -- why must it continue to play a part in those you "choose" to profile --- track etc? Two decades later, girls, just ain't so special anymore -- at least they're not supposed to be.

 

[benny88]

I did the exact same Basic Trg (now known as BMQ) waaaaaayyy back in 1988 as the male counterparts in my Platoon (6 platoon - 8804 BTW) and section. After two friggin' decades you'd think we'd be over this hump by now, funny thing is CF members seem to be over it.

Two decades !! Get over it already. The females and males in the CF certainly seemed to have gotten over the "what a shock "a girl!!" factor.

Why the heck are you still focussing on this "female" thing?? We all do our training, we all do our jobs, and we all pass or fail. Sex plays no part -- why must it continue to play a part in those you "choose" to profile --- track etc? Two decades later, girls, just ain't so special anymore -- at least they're not supposed to be.

  I don't mean to cotradict you Vern, you're entirely right. But I think it that even though people in the CF are no longer shocked by women being fully integrated, the general public may not yet be aware. And I think the point of Basic Up is not for those of us who have already been through to pick it apart, but for people who have not yet joined to get an idea of the course. And if it helps some civvys realize that women are integrated, great, even if it does seem a little dated to us.

 

[Celticgirl]

  I don't mean to cotradict you Vern, you're entirely right. But I think it that even though people in the CF are no longer shocked by women being fully integrated, the general public may not yet be aware. And I think the point of Basic Up is not for those of us who have already been through to pick it apart, but for people who have not yet joined to get an idea of the course. And if it helps some civvys realize that women are integrated, great, even if it does seem a little dated to us.

It is also good for civilian females who are considering applying to the military to be able to identify with CF females, so seeing them in their military roles is encouraging. This is why you will see posters in recruiting offices that show both males and females in various roles (and in different elements as shown by their uniforms).

It actually disturbed me to see how Dumont and Weremko comported themselves on their BMQ because it seemed to me that they themselves were trying to play the 'I'm just a girl' card, which is not cool. I didn't see them being treated any differently. They were fully integrated. Perhaps they were playing up to the cameras, I don't know, but I thought they were making themselves look pretty foolish at various points.

Now that I have watched all the episodes of Basic Up, I think part of the reason Weremko was profiled so much more than the others is the fact that she was so talkative and animated. I also noticed that they interviewed one of the guys about his 'attitude problem' towards the end and that could be part of the reason we didn't see very much of that particular guy. Apparently, he was very close to being released, but he did graduate.

 

[bms]

Actaully, if you watch the series over a couple times, you notice that Hardinge and Collins are often on camera, they are just kind of hard to recognize.

 

[Mike Baker]

Actaully, if you watch the series over a couple times, you notice that Hardinge and Collins are often on camera, they are just kind of hard to recognize.

Yep, they are. But they just never talked to them as much as they did with Weremko.

 

[bms]

Remember, that Basic Up is about triumphs and defeats. Since both Hardinge and Collins were alright most of the time and did well. Even the staff said Hardinge was good. This means they got little camera time. However, notice that when Hardinge got hurt, he was in nearly every scene.

Drama makes good TV(usually). I mean, would you rather watch someone being chewed out, crying, and arguing, or watch a bunch of people doing things correctly and such? Ratings dictate the former, and thats what we got, because the majority is what decides everything.

 

[Captain Coffee]

It might be possible that they chose certain people to follow from the start (they did get them at the recruiting centers when they came in) and once they started following them they just stuck with them.  Or maybe they weren't even chosen. More likely that CFRG just assigned them some recrutis at random.  The fact that Weremko has a tendency to complain or that Hudson put in his VR after 3 days was just left to chance.

If they followed everyone in the platoon, we'd see everyone for 10 seconds and nobody for any real length of time.

Also it seems like Weremko was in a different platoon than the other guys.  It was winter at Farnham for the men and Fall or Spring for the women (Fall I think).

As to the comments about the females in BMQ and what kind of example people like Dumont set, there were other females in there that did well and I we see them do well.  Look at Shave (Shane?) on the repel tower and then afterwards as course senior.  Or Fenton.  Both seemed to finish the course pretty strongly.

 

[Miko]

What do the id cards do? I noticed they needed to swipe this card for access to girls file on the computer.

Thanks.

 

[Captain Coffee]

As an aside, Weremko's sister is a dime. :blotto:

You think she's hot check out the french shows!  Pte Cotnoir's sister drops him off at St. Jean!  WOW!

I'm drooling in both official languages!

 

[Jorkapp]

What do the id cards do? I noticed they needed to swipe this card for access to girls file on the computer.

Thanks.

It's a paperless system. Instead of signing a paper copy of a form (e.g. Counseling, Note to File, etc), they type it up, show it to you, and by swiping your card, you are "signing" the form. They don't need to swipe your card to access your file, just to add something to it.

 

[Miko]

It's a paperless system. Instead of signing a paper copy of a form (e.g. Counseling, Note to File, etc), they type it up, show it to you, and by swiping your card, you are "signing" the form. They don't need to swipe your card to access your file, just to add something to it.

Ok thanks, I think they are also used for getting food as well? Correct? What are the cards them self called?

Thanks

 

[RTaylor]

I enjoyed it overall, pretty much what I thought Basic was going to be when I make my return to the uniform.

But for some reason, I kept having the urge to go surfing or watch porn...

 

[Jorkapp]

Ok thanks, I think they are also used for getting food as well? Correct? What are the cards them self called?

Thanks

Yes, they are also used for getting food. Their technical name is "Exacta Center Card", but they have many monikers around the Mega. Most commonly, "Meal Card", and "That little plastic thing you had better $%^# well not leave upstairs"

 

[NL_engineer]

Is it just me or is that PO always leaning on something  ??? 

 

[bms]

With his hand on his hip...  :rules:

 

[RTaylor]

LOL that guy...wonder if he ever saw a dentist in his life.

Also wonder if he got jacked up for appearing to be a slovenly slob.