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korabian said:
I have a question for NE Techs. I applied to join the Navy as NE Tech (C) and I was just wondering how long after the BMQ, NETP and the trade's training (Apprentice Course) they will let me set foot onboard ship?

Thanks

Once you are BMQ, NETP qualified and have completed your Common Core and Class of Ship Equipment Courses, you should be posted to ship very quickly. Normally your given a day or two for your Equipment graduation and to complete your out-routine from the base and would report to the ship within a day or two.
 
I know this may not be the most appropriate place to post this question, but it is related to the CSE realm.  I have a similar question posted under the Naval Boarding Party form, but I am not quite getting the response that I am looking for.

1)  I see mentioned quite often that the NBPO is usually a MARS officer, but it is ultimately up to the CO.  In peoples experiences, how often do Engineering Officers get the position?  I am a CSE (in training) and would love to be involved with the NBP.

2)  How far along in ones career/training can one (an Officer) apply for the boarding party? As well, how long, how often and where does the course take place?

Also, for the CSE's out there, is this something any of you have done in the past? and is it worth while to try for, some tell me that I'll be too busy to want to do it.

Thanks
(and hopefully I don't piss to many people off posting these questions here, as that is not what I am intending to do.  I am just looking for answer geared more towards the engineering side of things)
 
Yes, I have seen both CSEO's and A/CSEO's perform the duties of A1 on the NBP. Ultimately it is up to the CO. If you have strong leadership within your department which provides for the ability for the CSEO to take on that tasking, then it shouldn't be a problem.

I've seen ASlt's on NBP courses and teams, however the qual only lasts 2 years. After that you would have to retake the course. The course occurs around a half dozen times a year to the best of my knowledge.

 
Thank you for the reply, it was the best response I've gotten so far with respect to CSE's on the NBP
 
As a STIR tech, I believe I will be recieving the surface to air missiles in the equipment redistributing. So that would be ESSM and VLS correct. Hopefully I get loaded on that VLS course that sends me to California for 3 weeks.
 
navypuke said:
As a STIR tech, I believe I will be recieving the surface to air missiles in the equipment redistributing. So that would be ESSM and VLS correct. Hopefully I get loaded on that VLS course that sends me to California for 3 weeks.

I believe if you are CPF trained you should get the ESSM in Halifax.
 
Hi,
I applied for NCS ENG and presently I’m in merit list. This means that I will be automatically selected for NOAB?
What happens at NOAB with those who are more comfortable in French?
Do you know NOAB date for 2009 fall?

Thank you,
 
Ballistics said:
Hi,
I applied for NCS ENG and presently I’m in merit list. This means that I will be automatically selected for NOAB?

You should.

Ballistics said:
What happens at NOAB with those who are more comfortable in French?

They will be assigned to be escorted by staff who are fluent in French. However, some of the staff that you will need to interact with, possibly including the personnel who will be conducting the interviews, may be less fluent in French than you are in English. In either case, they will very likely be understanding of any communication difficulties.

Ballistics said:
Do you know NOAB date for 2009 fall?
No. I've generally seen them occur in October.

Ballistics said:
Thank you,

Also, this is hardly the forum to be asking this question. The CSE Chief has no part in the selection board for DEO applicants to become Naval Officers. There are a few NOAB threads under the recruitment forum. I suggest doing a quick search there.
 
I have recently been offered a position in the navy as an NE Tech (A) MOC 00116.  When I applied my intention was for radar and not sonar.  It now seems that since my initial application, there's been some changes and updates in the NE Tech job descriptions and titles.  I've tried to speak with someone at the recruitment centre about it but apparently most of the office is out on training until next week.

My question is am I being enrolled into the correct job that I originally attended?  Are the duties of Sonar and Radar being combined or is radar actually tactical?  I'm just concerned whether there's been a mix up in my application or if this is just part of the recent changes.  I'm just hoping to have some more information for when I hear from my recruiter next week before I accept the offer.

 
 
CTRivers,

Where are you located at?

One change that is upcoming is a "WET" Weapons Engineering Technician re-org to the trades.  The "Tactical Techs" and "Sonar" techs will be a bit mixed up by that, as we're going to become "Sensor" techs.  In other words, I as a sonar tech will no longer work on only sonar gear (and Nav gear, and computers, and CCS, and...and...and) I'll add radars or other sensors to my repertoire.

In truth, it's not a hard leap.  There's quirks to every system, but a radar is merely a sonar that works on a frequency you cannot hear.

NS
 
I'm located in Halifax.  The cirriculum for training basically seems the same and I do know a few people that went in as radar and handle both (and everything in between).  If my job is to handle both then that's great, but I'd hate to get to the OJT training and realize that I'm not doing the job I wanted by assuming it's the same. 

Based on your experience it seems like I'm on the right path.  I always understood the role to be a tech for whatever is needed, but a focus on one thing.  Am I right though, I'm being put into Sonar?

Thanks for the input.
 
I cannot speak for what the recruiting center has done, or is doing with your file. 

What I can offer is the opportunity to speak to someone in trade already.

If you're interested, I can make myself available and we can sit down for a coffee and I'll let you ping your questions off me directly.

Drop me a PM with your contact info if that is of interest to you.

NS
 
Thanks for the help, NavyShooter.  I'll PM if I have any more specific questions. 
 
CTRivers,

MOSID 00116 is NE Tech(A) or Sonar. The academic training you will receve is identical to what the 00118 NE Tech(T) and 00117 NE Tech(C) receive and very similar to what the 00017 NW Tech gets. There will be differences in the application phases of training, obviously.

However, Occupation restructure to W Eng Tech (Weapons ENGineering TECHnician) is tentatively scheduled for Oct 2010, but the date is not firm. It is safe to say that it will happen sooner than later. You will likely find yourself as a generic W ENG Tech until you complete your OJT and a qualification package, after which you will be selected to be one of 5 specialist occupations for training and employment for the next two ranks. Which you are selected for will depend on what is required, experience and training you already may have and your personal preferences. (Yes we do take them into account, but perhaps not with as much weight as you would like). At the PO1 rank everyone will once again be a generic W ENG Tech, so while you may specialize as a technician, once you get to the system/supervisor level, you will deal with all Navel Combat equipments, projects, HR etc.
 
Chief Tech said:
At the PO1 rank everyone will once again be a generic W ENG Tech, so while you may specialize as a technician, once you get to the system/supervisor level, you will deal with all Navel Combat equipments, projects, HR etc.

Good Morning Chief,

Do you anticipate this change to affect the model of one PO1 for the (former) NETs and one for the (former) NWTs at all?

Edit: Onboard ship of course. Or frigates I guess, as I'm unsure as the departmental structure onboard other classes.
 
gcclarke

One of the constraints we faced when defining the occupation model was that the department footprint on the current ships would remain the same. So there will still be two PO1s (Port and Stbd watch Supervisor) for both IRO and HFX classes. A Career Manager would strive to ensure that the two PO1s are of different backgrounds, but it is not absolutely neccesary. The Occupation Working groups went to great lengths to ensure as near as possible, similar numbers of positions for each of the five specialties so that everyone would have a more or less equal opportunity for advancement to the rank of PO1, assuming everyone is equal, but individuals can still change the odds in their favour by performing their duties well and improving their potential.

As for positions ashore, it was realized very early in the process, jobs for PO1s and up with very few exceptions were practically the same and in many cases requiring different knowledge and skills from what individuals were doing as LS, MS or PO2s. Specific skills and competencies developed at each of the specialties, while different, all lead to the same competencies required at the technical management level.

 
Chief Tech,

Thank you for the clarification.  I was hearing parts of the restructure plan during my application process and friends currently in these jobs, but the details varied a bit from person to person. 

Looking forward to getting everything started and from what I understand, an intense training process for this trade.
CTRivers
 
Surprised that there has not been any activity in this thread in over a year..
 
I'll open a can of woop-ass - It's because you guys ALREADY KNOW EVERYTHING!
Or, more lkely, everone is so overwhelmed with trade amalgamation and HCM ICT and CT being in full swing now...
I am sure it is the latter of the 2...but no offence!
 
It likely had more to do with the "The trade amalgamation is happening, fun will be had by all, beatings will continue until morale improves" attitude of some people that silenced the masses.  Kinda like the ACISS folks are going through now, albeit not quite as quietly!  ;)
 
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