This comment would appear to be similar to an anti-Godwin's law. Any concerns about limits on the state's power to surveil the populace makes one a potential terrorist sympathizer.George Wallace said:Do you by any chance subscribe to any of the above organizations?
Nemo888 said:Your inability to honestly deal with the problem shows exactly why the state should not have unlimited power.
Hatchet Man said:I don't think we are at a police state (yet) but there have been several instances were police agencies (including the OPP) seem to act like a law unto themselves (Caledonia, High River, Ontario CFO and his attempt at a backdoor registry, several instances were OPP ignored court orders re:native protesters). It's also interesting that the Police Service Act for Ontario specifically prohibits "municipal police officers" from engaging in political activity, but not OPP. However at least on a certain level, it is recognized that police should not be engaging in political activities.
Nemo888 said:I stated the three new powers that were unnecessary since internment during WWII. We did not need them during Korea or the cold war. Removing the limits on power and then saying that no transparency is needed is not wise.
Schindler's Lift said:I think the moderators need to do some maintenance on the site. It seems we somehow got crosslinked with Alex Jones' online forum.
Schindler's Lift said:Given the fact that in areas where there is no established municipal force (Aliston and Angus Ontario for example) the OPP are contracted by the municipality does that not make them essentially municipal police on the front lines?
FJAG said:Not so much. I'm just :stirpot: here a little and am no expert on Ontario law by any stretch of the imagination but here's my take.
The OPP, I believe, are public servants in Ontario hired and subject to the Ontario Public Service Act (2006) (see here: http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_06p35_e.htm#BK95) - Municipal Police officers per se are not provincial public servants and therefore in general are subject to the Police Services Act as far as political activity goes.
The OPP on the other hand, like all other public servants of Ontario, ought to be subject to Part V of the Public Services Act which severely limits political activities.
On the other hand, the OPPA is an association and not an individual police officer. Like any collective bargaining unit it engages in small "p" political activities on behalf of its members when it believes their interests are threatened. (the officer in the ad or the individuals providing police equipment for the ad may perhaps be liable for a breach of the act)
Unfortunately it looks as if the OPPA may have taken a step onto a slippery slope that will undermine its appearance of impartiality. People will question if they are properly investigating the Gas Plant and Ornge issues if they seem to be favouring the Liberals (even though they are saying being anti Hudak does not mean they endorse the Liberals or the NDP - that's pretty fine Orwell doublespeak).
It says a lot about the OPPA that the "first" time that they take a political stance in their history it's to protect their wallets instead of society.
"The laws allowing the minister of emergency preparedness or the AG's of the provinces to use the CSE and army domestically"
George Wallace said:Army?
WAIT! Where have I heard that before? "Soldiers in the streets. Soldiers with guns." anic: :
Navy_Pete said:To go back to the original topic, I don't really see anything wrong with the ads themselves. It's not impartial, but you can look at it as a 'third party check' to the general bs streaming from the political machines. Public servants serve the people, not the politicians. Should they not raise it up if they have concerns?
In general, the PC major campaign 'plans' are generally smoke and mirrors anyway, so they should have giant gaping holes punched through them. They are running with the american myth of 'job creators' and pandering to the lowest common denominator that thinks public servants fill no useful role. I would have thought the privatization of Ontario Hydro and the crap with private gas would have shown people that the public is the first one to be screwed (417 Hy, etc etc).
recceguy said:As are the 'non' platforms of the other two major parties. No one has a lock on this. It's the way politics in Canada works now.
You can't use that paintbrush without getting an equal amount of coverage on the rest.
TORONTO -- OPP Commissioner Vince Hawkes says footage used in an Ontario Provincial Police Association (OPPA) attack ad against Tory Leader Tim Hudak was improper and not permissible.
The commissioner said he outlined his concerns personally Thursday to Jim Christie, president of the OPPA. He also issued a directive about the issue to 8,000 OPP officers.
"I did meet with Jim Christie and discussed the memo I sent internally -- (regarding) members involved in political activity -- and that he does not have permission to use OPP images for any political agenda," Hawkes said. "The OPP footage used was from another joint project that was authorized for that purpose only."
The OPPA has released a video -- one critical of Hudak -- which includes images of a uniformed OPP officer.
Christie described the meeting as productive and added the commissioner was "professional" in reminding staff of what the rules are.
He also said there was never any intention for the OPPA to use OPP equipment or employees in a partisan manner.
As QMI Agency's Christina Blizzard highlighted this week, the OPPA posted two 15-second video spots opposing Hudak in the June 12 election.
Hawkes said Wednesday that they were inappropriate. In a letter to "all members" on "Ontario Public Services Employees, Rights and Restrictions during the Election Period," Hawkes outlined the things officers are not allowed to do.
"There has been a considerable amount of attention given recently to the Ontario Provincial Police and the rules and responsibilities of the members," he wrote. "I remind all OPP members, uniformed or civilian, we are restricted from engaging in political activity."
He provided a list to the members saying they can't do "anything in support of or in opposition to a federal or provincial party" or "candidate" or "engage in political activity in the workplace" or "while in uniform."
He also cited that "uniformed members should be cognizant of regulated restrictions on political activity under the Police Services Act." Hawkes' closing line in the letter said "your adherence to the Public Service of Ontario Act, the Police Services Act, and OPP order is appreciated, as is your continued professionalism as members of the Ontario Provincial Police."
Horse, meet open barn door. /sarcasm offHatchet Man said:Well the legislation may have had loop holes, but the direction from the OPP Commissioner to his Officers is pretty blunt. No more political activity.
Shrek1985 said:I'm sure that the OPPA, have enough legal separation to allow them to legally do whatever they want politically. A very useful bit of legal deception, I am sure.