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Arctic/Offshore Patrol Ship AOPS

Colin Parkinson

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Re audits and objectivity

A lesson I learned, was that the regulating authority can empower the contracted monitoring staff, by playing hardball with the proponent. In my case it was basically you can listen to the environmental monitors that you hired for advice or suffer a Stop Work order from the likes of me. 
 

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It is obvious that many here have never worked at a shipyard, because it does not matter about contracts or penalties only. Everyone seems to forget UNIONS . If they say we will not work because of Covid or any other reason then it will not be done and neither the Gov. or God can alter that.      Cheers.
 

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The Irving family is in a union? I think we need to look past the welders and metalnworkers. The problem is in the white collar professions. Im willing to bet their labour costs far exceed blue collar trades, and we’ll never see an honest breakdown of that.
 

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I am interested in knowing how do the containers are loaded in the stern -I know there is a crane capable-...I have seen some images that shown with 2 sea containers (20 ft?) and 1 landing craft (ABCO type)...I have read that is capable of storing up to 6...I want to know how are they loaded using the crane without hitting the helicopter pad (specially the ones further down)...
There has been some discussions that eventually they will have the capability to carrying more offensive weapons such as the equivalent of a  Russian club-k  or the Norwegian Naval Strike Missile launched (there is a cool picture of one launched from USS Coronado in the wikipedia webpage)
 

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A video tour inside:

https://www.facebook.com/RoyalCanadianNavy/videos/vb.388427768185631/346043706734105

https://twitter.com/RoyalCanNavy/status/1316121437913088000

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWTCujhAn6w
 

Colin Parkinson

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Working on the helicopter procedures

https://twitter.com/HMCSHarryDeWolf/status/1317488176022364160

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https://www.capebretonpost.com/news/provincial/comms-problem-could-be-a-huge-fly-in-the-ointment-for-new-warship-retired-commander-511086/#.X44AhGA0fp8.twitter

Looks like she has some teething problems to work, good thing that is what the trials are for.
 

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MilEME09 said:
https://www.capebretonpost.com/news/provincial/comms-problem-could-be-a-huge-fly-in-the-ointment-for-new-warship-retired-commander-511086/#.X44AhGA0fp8.twitter

Looks like she has some teething problems to work, good thing that is what the trials are for.

None of it sounds all that bad. The Comms could be a just a faulty chip board or software that needs updating. Or someone forgot to connect the cables to the Antenna properly and they slipped off.
 

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Colin P said:
None of it sounds all that bad. The Comms could be a just a faulty chip board or software that needs updating. Or someone forgot to connect the cables to the Antenna properly and they slipped off.

Or someone on Arcturus 4 just got a really confusing message.
 

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MilEME09 said:
Looks like she has some teething problems to work, good thing that is what the trials are for.

Having taken several new ships out of yards, can promise, totally and 100% normal problems for a new ship.

The first six months to a year, all sorts of things will come up that got missed in the commissioning trials, yard or design defects, or were manufacturers defects.

Things not appropriately tightened or secured will literally shake loose, or heat up, or wear out, all stuff that might have passed the commissioning trials.

After the first month or so problems will slow down, and after the first year things usually get pretty reliable for the next few years.
 

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Colin P said:
None of it sounds all that bad. The Comms could be a just a faulty chip board or software that needs updating. Or someone forgot to connect the cables to the Antenna properly and they slipped off.

Yeah there are issues, but they are being worked through from what I hear.  The change to Class standards is part of the problem as the RCN isn't used to this way of doing maintenance/testing/verification.  In many ways it's better in others it's not as rigorous as the traditional naval version.  The team are trying to find the way through that makes the most sense.  Add in new equipment types... it's all learning at this point.  Mistakes will be made, that's learning.
 

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AOPS in CCG colours

https://twitter.com/IrvingShipbuild/status/1323351521287954433?cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email
 

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Underway said:
Yeah there are issues, but they are being worked through from what I hear.  The change to Class standards is part of the problem as the RCN isn't used to this way of doing maintenance/testing/verification.  In many ways it's better in others it's not as rigorous as the traditional naval version.  The team are trying to find the way through that makes the most sense.  Add in new equipment types... it's all learning at this point.  Mistakes will be made, that's learning.

If they're not making mistakes they aren't trying hard enough.
 

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If they haven’t run it aground, set fire to it, spun the radar off its mount, flooded the store room, cratered the deck, lost the anchor or flushed the golden rivet yet, then it cannot be accepted. Tradition is everything in the Senior Service.
 

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Wouldn't it be cheaper to get some non-ASW versions of the Cyclones for cargo purposes?
 

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Wouldn't it be cheaper to get some non-ASW versions of the Cyclones for cargo purposes?
No, not even close.

While I don't have the exact numbers in-front of me, typically the purchase price of a drone (even a large, industrial sized drone as being discussed here) would be substantially cheaper than a new Cyclone. Helicopters in general aren't cheap, especially a beast like the Cyclone.

Also, if we were to order a few more Cyclone airframes, they best be capable of ASW. The government already purchased less than the minimum number the Navy stated they required (and took nearly a millennia to even do that) - and we've lost one airframe & crew already.

Any additional Cyclones procured (not bloody likely) should be able to execute whatever missions are required of the ship, including ASW.
 

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A HADR or littoral support ship likely needs helicopters larger than Griffon. I doubt the RCN is going to persuade the RCAF to lend a few Chinooks or other flying green things for those missions ( maybe Chinook in littoral support ship) Totally agree that any new Cyclone should be fully equipped ASW.
Is there any commonality or could there be commonality between Cyclone and S92 or a beefed up S92 utility version?
By littoral support ship I’m thinking along the lines of Prevail Partner design for the RN ( also such a ship might help with the needs addressed by FJAG- whose book on all of this arrived on my desk today :))
 
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