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Altered War- The Fall-out From The "Doctered" Photos Begins

while it is true that many of the most famous war photos were posed, such as U.S. Marines raising the flag on mount Suribachi, they were generally done to re-enact an image that was either too dangerous or brief for the photographer to capture. at least these posed photos were meant to portray events that really did happen. multiple people pretending to "rescue" a dead child for a photo op to advance their "cause" is reprehensible at best. these are the same people who rant and rave about us not respecting their religious beliefs while blatantly disregarding their laws for handling the dead. makes you wonder.
 
jeremyoneil said:
while it is true that many of the most famous war photos were posed, such as U.S. Marines raising the flag on mount Suribachi, they were generally done to re-enact an image that was either too dangerous or brief for the photographer to capture. at least these posed photos were meant to portray events that really did happen. multiple people pretending to "rescue" a dead child for a photo op to advance their "cause" is reprehensible at best. these are the same people who rant and rave about us not respecting their religious beliefs while blatantly disregarding their laws for handling the dead. makes you wonder.

The first photo by the USMC was not staged, but later on others were taken.

Wes
 
jeremyoneil said:
right, same guys different angles. 
What choo talkin 'bout Willis? Same guys different angle?
First Photo:
FirstFlag.gif

The most famous flag raising took place on Feruary 23, 1945 on Mount Suribachi by U.S. Marines and a Navy Corpsman!
http://expage.com/gunnyg2
http://www.angelfire.com/ca/dickg/AhoyMarines.html
Staged photo
320px-WW2_Iwo_Jima_flag_raising.jpg
 
jeremyoneil if there is anything I have learned psot 9/11 its that EVERYONE can be a hypocrite regradless of your beliefs.
 
And just a little humor to lighten things up a bit.

You're On Notice!
OnNotice.jpg


Make your own > http://www.shipbrook.com/onnotice/
 
http://www.aish.com/movies/PhotoFraud.asp

Edited to add: I think I just found the Israel version of "propaganda"... ::)
http://www.aish.com/movies/Lebanon.asp
 
As for the original pic taken by the USMC, the flag was smaller, and the bullets were still flying. Currently I do not have the resources to find a link for this, but both the staged and real pics are noted in several books, including the ones I have back in safe ole Australia.

Cheers,

Wes

PS - if anyone can find a link, please post.
 
Mount Suribachi Flag Raising:

http://www.iwojima.com/raising/raisingb.htm

Link with many photos of the original flag raising and the 2nd flag raising. I think the difference is that the posed photograph of this flag raising was never passed off as original and has always been widely known to be a 2nd flag raising/recreation of the event. Despite that, it is the most copied picture in photography.

Link to the Bios of the Flag-Raisers in the re-creation (2nd flag raising) which explains the real reason behind raising the 2nd flag - replacement with a larger one.

http://www.iwojima.com/raising/raisingc.htm
 
This is a very interesting topic for me, because I have worked for years as a photojournalist and reporter.  To some extent, all pictures reproduced in newspapers and magazines have been touched up, or manipulated in some way.  The main rule seems to be: Has the picture been altered so that now it shows something that was not there?

Here's an example:  At The Barrie Examiner, a long time ago, a young reporter was sent out to get a picture of the new executive of a community group.  The people were all lined up against a wall, but when the shot was developed the editor saw that one guy was standing some distance from the group.  There was a big open space of wall there.
The darkroom guy cropped the pic to move the errant member closer to the main body, and that's how the picture ran.  Newspapers have a hatred of waste space, just as radio stations deplore dead air time.

Recently I did the same thing with a parade shot, cutting out a lot of dead space to make the troops fit into the frame.  It does not alter the story, because the soldiers were in fact on parade.  They just weren't quite that close together.  It enabled me to show the entire frontage of the unit, so that everyone was visible. (For a set up picture you can ask the people to move closer together.  On parade this is not possible)

Other pictures are brightened, sharpened or increased in contrast.  Almost all of them are cropped, to "tighten" the image and focus the readers' attention.  The newspaper with the best pictures wins, it's that simple.

I saw the Hajj pictures, before and after, and there does not appear to be that much difference between them.  However, if they were altered with the intent to make the pictures look more dramatic, or to make the bomb damage look worse, then
the ethical line has been crossed.

The power which computers now give us to create images out of nothing is awesome and amazing.  But it is also dangerous.

Reuters did the right thing.  For sure.



 
 
tonykeene said:
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Recently I did the same thing with a parade shot, cutting out a lot of dead space to make the troops fit into the frame.  It does not alter the story, because the soldiers were in fact on parade.  They just weren't quite that close together ... 

I'm really glad you didn't do that to my parade lo these several decades back.  I would have hated the fuss and bother involved in rescuing my sergeant major from the clutches of higher authority after he cold-cocked a silly public relations officer.
 
Edward Campbell said:
I'm really glad you didn't do that to my parade lo these several decades back.  I would have hated the fuss and bother involved in rescuing my sergeant major from the clutches of higher authority after he cold-cocked a silly public relations officer.

I've had to dodge the odd pace stick in my time!!

The nice thing was that the unit thought the picture was so good they ordered copies.
 
Don't get all wrapped up thinking only about the flag-raising.  Many other pictures purportedly of "battle" are not.  The point is this: any photograph could be staged or altered and one should therefore not read anything into it.  As evidence of anything, a picture is dubious.  If you allow your opinions and emotions to be guided by what people want to show you, your conclusions are at best indeterminate.
 
The famous picture of a soldier getting shot from the Spanish civil war was charged to be a fake, but it seems now to be proven correct.

http://www.freedomforum.org/publications/msj/courage.summer2000/y07.html
 
I think the main problem here is assuming that the press is anything but a business.

The media, reporters, photographers, editors et al. are not champions of free speech, purveyors of factual information or in the pursuance of any other "higher calling".

They are participants in a business, and that business is selling the most advertising space and newspapers/cable subscriptions possible, nothing more. Just like manufacturing companies that endeavour to sell products that sit perfectly at the intersection of cost and quality for the highest profit possible, the media will sell you whatever you will pay for.

We, as a society, pay for war reporting, so the media outlets can sell more advertising. When writers sensationalise, reporters misquote, photographers alter, and editors package and guide the whole thing, they are just creating a saleable product. Occasionally, one of them gets caught, and then they wax poetic about "journalistic integrity" and other such oxymorons, as they engage in a superficial "cleaning".

I view the media in much the same way as politicians. I expect them to lie, philander and steal, in their areas of expertise, so it is hardly shocking to me when they do.

Viewing all members of the press as desperate peddlers is helpful in placing their reporting in context.
 
I had not seen that photo of the flag raising, thanks for the clarification. I think that the problem with the majority of real combat photos is that they just aren't exiting enough to sell papers or fulfill the public's notions of what war is. If photogs were taking exiting pictures of firefights and bombings we would also be seeing a lot memorial articles about them getting killed in the process. The media has changed their focus from unbiased reporting of the news to entertainment and political commentary. In the past the majority of staged or altered photos were presented as such, and were usually designed to illustrate events that happened. Now we are seeing "journalistic" photography that is more of a visual editorial or outright propaganda. In a business where freelance photographers (who may or may not have an agenda) are selling photos based on their visual impact rather than their representation of the truth, we must expect that some people are going to conduct themselves dishonestly.
 
From "Little Green Footballs

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=22055_LGF_Exclusive-_How_Much_Does_It_Cost_to_Buy_Global_TV_News&only

LGF Exclusive: How Much Does It Cost to Buy Global TV News?
An LGF reader who worked for Associated Press TV News sent me the following article explaining how APTN works, and suggesting a reason why their coverage of the Middle East is so overwhelmingly biased against Israel:

How Much Does It Cost to Buy Global TV News?

The vast majority of the TV news pictures you see are produced by two TV news companies. Presented here is a case for how a large amount of money has been used to inject a clear bias into the heart of the global TV news gathering system. That this happens is not at question, whether it is by accident or design is harder to tell.

You may not realize it, but if you watch any TV news broadcast on any station anywhere in the world, there is a better than even chance you will view pictures from APTN. BBC, Fox, Sky, CNN and every major broadcaster subscribes to and uses APTN pictures. While the method by which they operate is interesting, it is the extra service this US owned and UK based company offers to Arab states that is really interesting.

About the Associated Press

The Associated Press (AP) is a not-for-profit news gathering and dissemination service based in the US.Formed in 1848, the AP grew up from an agreement between the six major New York newspapers of the day. They wanted to defray the large telegraphy costs that they were all independently incurring for sending the same news coast to coast. Despite being highly competitive, they formed the Associated Press as a collection agency and agreed to share the material. Today, that six-newspaper cooperative is an organization serving more than 1,500 newspapers and 5,000 broadcast outlets in the United States. Abroad, AP services are printed and broadcast in 112 countries.

Associated Press Television News

Associated Press Television News (APTN) is a wholly owned subsidiary of AP. It was formally set up as a separate entity in 1994. It is run as a commercial entity and aims to make a profit. Any profit it does make is fed back to AP (which is non-profit making: APTN profits reduce the newsgathering costs incurred by the 1500 US newspapers that collectively own the AP). APTN is the largest television news gathering player (larger than Reuters, its only true competitor in this field). While AP is based in the US, APTN operates out of large premises in Camden, London. They have news teams, offices and broadcast facilities in just about every important place in the world.

APTN uses news crews and broadcast facilities all over the world to record video of newsworthy events (in News, Sport and Entertainment). These pictures are either sent unedited or very partially edited back to London. Most news is fed back within hours but they also cover and feed certain events live (news conferences in Iraq, press conferences after a sporting event etc.). Most of these stories are sent in with “natural sound”: there is no journalist providing a voice over, but the choice of what to shoot is in the hands of the local producer and camera crew. Local crews are sometimes employed directly by APTN, or more often “stringers” are hired for a particular event or paid for the footage they have already captured.

Once the stories have been fed back to the UK they are edited. This is a round the clock operation. The goal is to produce a 30 minute news bulletin comprising 6 or 7 stories every few hours. These stories are made by editing down the raw “rushes” that come in from all over the world. This is done by a team of producers who work for the news editor. They don’t supply a voice over but they do edit, discard and sequence pictures dictating the emphasis and direction of the story. They will accompany each story with a written description of each shot and the general reason this was a story. This is repeated for News, Sport & Entertainment with a geographical emphasis that shifts around the world as different markets wake and sleep. The output of this is called the “Global News Wire” (GNW).

The Business of TV News

This is how APTN makes its money: news organizations (mostly TV but not all) subscribe to APTN and pay an annual amount to both watch and then re-use the stories that are fed over the GNW. The stories are supplied with sound, but no journalist to do a voice over. Most commercial news stations (like the BBC, SKY, Fox or CNN) would take this feed, decide which pictures to use then re-edit it and supply an appropriate voice over for the story. The video comes with a written description of the shots and the events that occur in them.

The fee for this feed depends on the size of the receiving organization, their audience size and a negotiation with APTN’s sales force. It is pretty much impossible, however, to operate a TV news organization without taking feeds from either APTN or Reuters or usually both. The agreement with APTN usually allows the receiving news channel unlimited use of the video for two weeks. If they want to re-show those pictures after that they have to separately license the pictures (which can cost anything from $100 to $10,000 per 30 seconds depending on the content).

A Separate Service for Arab States

However, there is another significant part of their business model that affects the rest of the business. While most of the world takes news pictures with minimal interpretation beyond editing, the Arab Gulf States have asked for and receive a different and far more expensive service. These states pay for a complete news report service including full editing and voice overs from known journalists. The news organizations in the Arab countries don’t do anything (beyond verify that they are appropriate for local tastes) before broadcast.

What this means is that while there are around 50 people producing news pictures for the whole world working in Camden at any time, there are a further 50 Arabic speaking staff producing finished stories exclusively for the Arab states of the gulf. This has a tremendous effect on the whole feel of the building as these two teams feed pictures and people back and forth and sit in adjacent work areas. The slant of the stories required by the Gulf States has a definite effect on which footage is used and discarded. This affects both the Gulf newsroom and the main global newsroom.

This full service feed is much more expensive for the customers than the usual service, but it is also much higher margin for APTN. This is partly because there is great commonality in what they can send to most of the Gulf States taking this service: stories are made once and used in a number of countries.

Disproportionately Negative Coverage of Israel

Anything involving Israel is a favorite with Gulf Arab states for showing to their viewers. Could this be the reason why Israel receives such a disproportionate amount of particularly negative coverage especially and increasingly ever since the early 1970’s? HonestReporting is usually unable to decide which is most biased: AP or BBC. As the BBC is often using APTN footage, the difference is minor. A significant twist to what is seen, concerns what is not seen. Footage such as the Palestinian mob joyfully lynching two Israeli reservists in Ramallah in October 2000 is held by APTN’s library: any attempt to license this film for reshow is carefully vetted. Requests for the use of “sensitive clips” are referred directly to the Library director. This is not the case with clips that paint Israel in a bad light. Likewise, the re-showing of Palestinian celebrations on 9/11 is considered “sensitive”.

The way in which raw footage such as APTN’s is compiled into a news report and sent round the world has also been analyzed. The Second Draft gives a comprehensive view of how editing can make all the difference. APTN is the gatekeeper that sits between you and the actual event. You will never see what the editors at APTN see before they compile your evening news. What do you think is cut out?

The Wrap-Up

Was this organization set up with this in-built bias on purpose? Is there some way that the expensive payments made by Gulf state governments form part of a deliberate attempt to skew the media?

In “Islam and Dhimmitude” (2002) by Bat Ye’or on p294-296 she recounts how decisions were taken in the wake of the Arab-Israeli war of 1967 to try to put across an anti-Jewish, anti-Zionist message. Successive conferences resolved to contribute vast sums “to universities, centers for Islamic studies, international communications agencies, and private and governmental organizations in order to win over world opinion.” (p296).

The messages from these conferences stressed an addition to the more familiar violent jihad: they also emphasized the importance of jihad by the written and spoken word—what we would recognize as classic propaganda. Without question APTN’s interesting business model represents a concrete example of an ongoing financial “contribution” to an important communication agency promoting a pro-Arab bias.

 
and this one as well:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/209315/photo_fraud_changes_war_perceptions/
 
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