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Unvaccnated people can eat in a restaurant or bar provided they meet the conditions.
Really? I’m curious how that would apply, since the conditions I’m familiar with specify vaccination as a condition...
 

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Really? I’m curious how that would apply, since the conditions I’m familiar with specify vaccination as a condition...
Correct. That is the current condition in place. Like being refused service for refusing to show ID for booze, wearing shoes and shirts. If you don’t meet those then you don’t get served.

This isn’t a new concept.

The vaccine is available to everyone. No one is being denied that. Everyone has the opportunity to meet those conditions. What they choose to do is their choice to make.
 

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Survey says: Governments are starting to suck at this....

Large majorities of Canadians continue to support vaccine passports, mask mandates​

Pandemic still seen as “real threat,” even as public rates governments’ COVID-19 response lower, poll finds.

Several Canadian provinces recently marked the second anniversary of the first cases of COVID-19 being identified.

After the Omicron variant forced Canadians to stay away from family and friends, our views on the pandemic are now slightly better than in December. Just over half of Canadians (52%, up five points) told Research Co. and Glacier Media that the worst of COVID-19 is “behind us,” while about three in 10 (29%, down four points) believe it is “ahead of us.”

At the start of 2022, the numbers do not buttress the narrative of a divided country that has been pushed relentlessly by the loudest of complainers. We continue to see 85% of Canadians referring to COVID-19 as “a real threat,” and a similar proportion (84%, up one point) voicing support for requiring all customers or visitors entering an indoor premise to wear a mask or face covering while inside. In addition, more than seven in 10 Canadians (72%, down four points) are wearing a mask every time they go out.

The concept of “vaccine passports” – allegedly the detonator for a protest that reached Ottawa this past weekend and that somehow combined the worst elements of the Occupy Movement and the Tea Party – is still endorsed by significant majorities of Canadians. More than three in five are in favour of the certificates for travel to other countries (70%, down three points), to other provinces (68%, down three points) and within the same province (62%, down two points).

In addition, practically two-thirds of Canadians continue to believe that “vaccine passports” are a good idea for people who want to go to live sporting events (69%, down two points), visit gyms or fitness facilities (68%, down three points), go to live concerts (also 68%, down three points), attend the cinema or theater (67% down five points) or work at an office (65%, down three points). Support may be lower than it was in December, but certainly not at a level that would suggest Canadians are ready to carry on as if the pandemic had never arrived.

This does not mean that Canadians are remarkably content with their political leaders. Satisfaction with the way the federal government is managing COVID-19 fell by seven points to 56%, with particularly severe drops in Quebec (from 70% to 58%) and British Columbia (from 64% to 54%). Municipal governments across the country also experienced a seven-point drop (from 64% to 57%).

Provincial governments experienced an even more drastic plunge, with the nationwide average shedding 11 points to wind up at 51%. This time, the four most populous provinces experienced a significant trust deficit. Satisfaction fell from 56% to 51% in Ontario. Alberta remains at the bottom of the standings with 33%, down nine points.

British Columbia’s government posted its lowest rating of the entire pandemic at 60%, down eight points. Still, the biggest shock is observed in Quebec, where the notion of taxing the unvaccinated had an immediate impact. Only 55% of Quebecers are satisfied with the way the provincial government is managing the pandemic, down 17 points since December.

Across Canada, 44% of residents (down two points since May 2021) think the measures that are in place in their province to deal with COVID-19 are correct for the situation. Similar proportions of Canadians would like to do more (27%, down two points) or do less (23%, up four points).

The divide is evident in two provinces where, just a few months ago, more than seven in ten residents were happy with how the pandemic was being managed. In Quebec, 34% of residents think the provincial government’s measures go too far. In British Columbia, 27% of residents think not enough has been done – lower than the huge number of disaffected Albertans (42%) but still noteworthy.

Compared to May 2021, at a time when vaccination rollouts were starting to be implemented, fewer Canadians are looking at their provincial governments with full confidence. Fewer residents trust them to respond to a natural disaster (57%, down three points), establish public health guidelines (55%, down three points), release accurate information (53%, down eight points), release complete information (51%, down five points), ensure the sustainability of the health care system (50%, down five points) and spend tax dollars wisely (38%, down five points). All of these indicators are down, showing how difficult it has become to explain what is happening and what may lie ahead.

The proportion of Canadians who regard the pandemic as a real threat has not changed. While public support for “vaccine passports” is down slightly, more than four in five Canadians endorse having to wear a mask inside a store. The noticeable decline this month is not behavioural. It is purely political.

Fewer Canadians are happy with Ottawa, and provincial governments see significantly lower scores this month for different reasons. It is clear that there is no one-size-fits-all solution to engaging with the public as the pandemic nears its third year of existence. In Quebec, people believe the government overreacted. In British Columbia, more than a quarter of residents want a seemingly popular administration to do more.

Opinion: Large majorities of Canadians continue to support vaccine passports, mask mandates
 

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Canadian attitudes are shifting to living with COVID-19: poll​


A study published on Monday by Angus Reid Institute, a non-profit specializing in Canadian opinion research, revealed public opinion has changed over the last couple of weeks concerning the re-opening of communities.

Between January 7-12, a period where Canada was experiencing a peak in COVID-19 cases after the holidays, a poll asking Canadians whether “it’s time to end restrictions and let people self-isolate if they’re at risk” showed that 55 per cent disagreed with more lenient regulations.

But public sentiment changed when asked the same question last week. A slim majority — 54 per cent of those polled — said they agreed with ending all restrictions and allowing Canadians to manage their own level of risk, while 32 per cent strongly agreed.

 

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There is a lot of concern from doctors and scientists that the new RNA based vaccines cross the blood brain barrier and that opens up a whole lot of potentiel issues both immediate and long term.
I would hazard to say that when Doctor Rick Malone, who invented and patented the mRNA vaccine process, voices concerns about the way his invention is being used and the claims being made for it, I'll tend to listen to him.
 

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I wonder if most Canadians would still support vaccine passports if they realized they do absolutely nothing in a post-Delta world? With omicron and beyond they have 0 public health impact to COVID spread and serve only as a failed method to coerce people into it.
 

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I wonder if most Canadians would still support vaccine passports if they realized they do absolutely nothing in a post-Delta world? With omicron and beyond they have 0 public health impact to COVID spread and serve only as a failed method to coerce people into it.
It doesn’t matter anymore if vaccine passports are irrelevant, people are addicted to governments telling them what to do. Alberta and Sask Reddit subs exploded after announcement of restrictions being removed soon. You’ll never cure that level of stupidity.
 

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Thanks for that. Let's just say he was close to and participated in the whole thing. I still believe that makes him more of an real expert on it than most of the talking head, tv people out there that claim to be experts.

 
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563 lawyers warn that COVID-19 mandates, protocols violate charter rights​


Bruce Wildsmith, who taught constitutional law for 25 years and has fought rights-based cases before the Supreme Court of Canada, warned that through the pandemic the provincial and federal governments have become increasingly cavalier in walking back the guarantees made to Canadians under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

“My humble opinion is that Justin Trudeau’s father, as the father of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, would be rolling over in his grave,” said Wildsmith.

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“I’m not against vaccines, I’m not an anti-vaxxer,” said Wildsmith.

“What I’m concerned about is whether the restrictions being imposed are ‘demonstrably justified.' One of the tests of whether it’s a reasonable limit is whether the government has chosen the least intrusive measure available to them to accomplish the objective.”

Wildsmith doesn’t believe that they pass that legal test at this point in the pandemic.

Another 563 Canadian lawyers and legal scholars agree with him.


 

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But Ontario’s top doctor is suggesting the vaccine passports need to be reassessed in light of the idea that they’re not reducing transmission of omicron. Story here
 

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563 lawyers warn that COVID-19 mandates, protocols violate charter rights​


Bruce Wildsmith, who taught constitutional law for 25 years and has fought rights-based cases before the Supreme Court of Canada, warned that through the pandemic the provincial and federal governments have become increasingly cavalier in walking back the guarantees made to Canadians under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

“My humble opinion is that Justin Trudeau’s father, as the father of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, would be rolling over in his grave,” said Wildsmith.

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“I’m not against vaccines, I’m not an anti-vaxxer,” said Wildsmith.

“What I’m concerned about is whether the restrictions being imposed are ‘demonstrably justified.' One of the tests of whether it’s a reasonable limit is whether the government has chosen the least intrusive measure available to them to accomplish the objective.”

Wildsmith doesn’t believe that they pass that legal test at this point in the pandemic.

Another 563 Canadian lawyers and legal scholars agree with him.



I don't think trudeau really cares. I think he'd like to see the entire Charter gone.

FJAG, is there someplace that lists all QCs by party affiliation or who appointed them?
 

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I don't think trudeau really cares. I think he'd like to see the entire Charter gone.

FJAG, is there someplace that lists all QCs by party affiliation or who appointed them?
There is a list for Manitoba - I'm not sure if its complete or not.

I'm on the list for 1997, which will let you calculate that I got mine from a PC Minister of Justice.


Other provinces might have a similar list.

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There are 130,000 lawyers in Canada - So - 0.43% of Canadian lawyers endorse this position.

Not really conclusive, is it?

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A lower percentage than that of fatalities put the entire planet in lockdown, soooo....:D I kid, I kid...
 
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