All things Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)

[Booter]

The Covid death number and what counted was always a weird one. There would be jurisdictions and places out of step- I’ve always looked at it as a good approximation. Even if we were perfect at it in hospital it still would have things missed or overlooked.

The people that dwell on it- it’s like they need a super accurate number because they have a point in their head where when it finally hits it would be a real pandemic and “not a flu” but every time it crosses a new threshold they move the goal post or “yeah but in New Jersey they counted a death that was a heart attack so…”

As if it was all scored correctly they would eventually find some social responsibility.

 

[brihard]

It's a valid question. I just researched it and in some places "COVID-19 is listed as the immediate or underlying cause of death, or listed as one of the significant conditions contributing to death. Or, if there is a confirmed COVID-19 infection from a lab test — and, the cause of death doesn't meet exclusion criteria, like trauma, suicide, homicide, overdose, motorcycle accident, etc."

It stems from a motorcycle accident, in Florida, where the driver was killed and it was initially listed as a covid death. The governor questioned it and it was corrected.

I can't speak to the rules for every jurisdiction or what a coroner considers cause of death.

CDC director acknowledges hospitals have a monetary incentive to overcount coronavirus deaths

U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Robert Redfield agreed that some hospitals have a monetary incentive to overcount coronavirus deaths as they do deaths for other diseases.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Emphasis added

 

[mariomike]

This may help,

Excess mortality during the Coronavirus pandemic​

Excess mortality during the Coronavirus pandemic (COVID-19)

Excess mortality is a term used in epidemiology and public health that refers to the number of deaths from all causes during a crisis above and beyond what we would have expected to see under ‘normal’ conditions.1 In this case, we’re interested in how the number of deaths during the COVID-19...

ourworldindata.org

As if it was all scored correctly they would eventually find some social responsibility.

For those in need of motivation, the vaccine hesitant ( where I used to work ) were suspended on 31 Oct. Termination date: 13 Dec.

 

[Kat Stevens]

This may help,

Excess mortality during the Coronavirus pandemic​

Excess mortality during the Coronavirus pandemic (COVID-19)

Excess mortality is a term used in epidemiology and public health that refers to the number of deaths from all causes during a crisis above and beyond what we would have expected to see under ‘normal’ conditions.1 In this case, we’re interested in how the number of deaths during the COVID-19...

ourworldindata.org

For those in need of motivation, the vaccine hesitant ( where I used to work ) were suspended on 31 Oct. Termination date: 13 Dec.

You and I have very different definitions of "motivation".

 

[mariomike]

You and I have very different definitions of "motivation".

Ok. Strike that. Does not change the reality.

As if it was all scored correctly they would eventually find some social responsibility.

The vaccine hesitant ( where I used to work ) were suspended on 31 Oct. Termination date: 13 Dec.

 

[QV]

Stuff like this ruins all credibility for the media and the state.

 

[PMedMoe]

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Stuff like this ruins all credibility for the media and the state.

Read the article. The child died WITH COVID, not FROM it. I can't imagine having COVID helped with his medical issues though.

A child died in Alberta recently but they had “complex pre-existing medical conditions” which played a significant role.

 

[Scott]

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Stuff like this ruins all credibility for the media and the state.

Read the article. The child died WITH COVID, not FROM it. I can't imagine having COVID helped with his medical issues though.

A child died in Alberta recently but they had “complex pre-existing medical conditions” which played a significant role.

Whose credibility?

 

[kkwd]

Reading the headline, "Child Lost To Covid 19", appears to be inaccurate at best.

 

[Remius]

Reading the headline, "Child Lost To Covid 19", appears to be inaccurate at best.

Possibly.

Here is the same article word for word in the Herald Sun. The headline is accurate. Maybe an editorial choice from one paper to the next. But if people can’t actually read properly it doesn’t always mean the media is at fault.

No Cookies | Herald Sun

No Cookies

www.heraldsun.com.au

 

[kkwd]

Possibly.

Here is the same article word for word in the Herald Sun. The headline is accurate. Maybe an editorial choice from one paper to the next. But if people can’t actually read properly it doesn’t always mean the media is at fault.

No Cookies | Herald Sun

No Cookies

www.heraldsun.com.au

No excuse, it was wrong in this particular case.

 

[Remius]

No excuse, it was wrong in this particular case.

Sure. But it’s a poor excuse to think the media is doing anything nefarious. Likely an editing choice to shorten the headline. A poor attempt but not surprising.

 

[kkwd]

Sure. But it’s a poor excuse to think the media is doing anything nefarious. Likely an editing choice to shorten the headline. A poor attempt but not surprising.

When you put "to" in the headline your theory falls apart.

 

[Remius]

When you put "to" in the headline your theory falls apart.

And yet the same article shared by and likely the original based on the date did not say “to”. The Tasmanian Sun picked it up and likely had to fit it in their tabloid format. Not everything is a conspiracy lol.

 

[kkwd]

And yet the same article shared by and likely the original based on the date did not say “to”. The Tasmanian Sun picked it up and likely had to fit it in their tabloid format. Not everything is a conspiracy lol.

Then they shouldn't have run it if they didn't have room. Conspiracy? Is everything a conspiracy these days?

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Emphasis added

which is why I posted it for clarification

 

[Remius]

Then they shouldn't have run it if they didn't have room. Conspiracy? Is everything a conspiracy these days?

For some apparently.

 

[kkwd]

For some apparently.

You brought it up, there was no need in this case. It is just a simple case of journalistic errors.

 

[Remius]

It is just a simple case of journalistic errors.

Glad we agree.

 

[Booter]

The 10 year old died from a mix of things including having Covid 19. The headline is fine- it isn’t currently noteworthy to include hypertension and diabetes.

How should a news headline read- like it would literally need to be the article of the story to contain all the nuance.

Maybe there is a regional English nuance- they keep using “with”

Die “of”, Die “from”, Die “with”

“The Bart the”