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All things Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)

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The US, India and Brazil have seen the highest number of confirmed cases, followed by the UK, Russia and France.
Very few places have been left untouched.



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The US, India and Brazil have seen the highest number of confirmed cases, followed by the UK, Russia and France.
Very few places have been left untouched.



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And right there is the problem with putting things in perspective. Cases are immaterial. The amount of hospital admissions and deaths should be the reason for lockdowns and other restrictions, not cases.
 

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New this month but will be ignored by all those we put our trust in to lead us through this.
Recently, Dr Satoshi Omura, the Nobel co-laureate for the discovery of IVM, and colleagues conducted a comprehensive review of IVM clinical activity against COVID-19, concluding that the preponderance of the evidence demonstrated major reductions in mortality and morbidity [2]. Our review of that evidence, updated with consideration of several new studies, supports the same conclusion.

We believe that the evidence to date supports the worldwide extension of IVM treatments for COVID-19, complementary to immunizations. The indicated biological mechanism of IVM, competitive binding with SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, is likely non-epitope specific, as reviewed [8], possibly yielding full efficacy against emerging viral mutant strains. IVM has been safely used in 3.7 billion doses since 1987, well tolerated even at much greater than standard doses [34,35] and used without serious AEs in the three high-dose COVID-19 treatment studies noted above [34,36,37]. In the current international emergency of COVID-19, with mutant viral strains, vaccination refusals and potentially waning immunities over months presenting new challenges, IVM can be an effective component of the mix of therapeutics deployed against this pandemic.



And we'll probably see more of this.
Cornell University has aggressively pushed its students to get vaccinated, announcing a vaccine mandate for the 2021-22 academic year in April and frequently denying religious and medical exemptions.
As a result, 95 percent of the campus population, both students and faculty, is vaccinated.
Despite this, Cornell University has more than five times the amount of confirmed positive cases during its first week of this academic year than it did during its first week of the 2020-21 academic year, according to the Cornell COVID dashboard.
 

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I direct you to post #5463, many ivm hit pieces are being debunked. Outright lies by some media, to what end?

Your question is a loaded question. Trust is earned and tested everyday, it isn't an ongoing right for anyone. For example, by virtue of her office I trusted Dr. Teresa Tam at the start of this pandemic. Then she said and did things that lost that trust. The same goes for politicians, supervisors, relatives etc. So your question is worthless and only meant to distract from the information I raised.
 

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I direct you to post #5463, many ivm hit pieces are being debunked. Outright lies by some media, to what end?

Your question is a loaded question. Trust is earned and tested everyday, it isn't an ongoing right for anyone. For example, by virtue of her office I trusted Dr. Teresa Tam at the start of this pandemic. Then she said and did things that lost that trust. The same goes for politicians, supervisors, relatives etc. So your question is worthless and only meant to distract from the information I raised.
It’s not loaded. It’s a simple question. Do you trust your doctor?

do you believe that the current vaccines work?

do you think that Invermectin is effective at preventing Covid or treating Covid?

your answers help me to understand the context behind why you are posting this stuff.
 

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It’s not loaded. It’s a simple question. Do you trust your doctor? Yes, mostly.

do you believe that the current vaccines work? Places like Isreal, Gibralter, and now Canada among others, demonstrate we shouldn't rely on vaccines alone. We have more infections now with 70%+ vaccinated than we did with 0% vaccinated.

do you think that Invermectin is effective at preventing Covid or treating Covid? I've posted countless links to all the studies that support ivm in treating COVID-19. In a worldwide pandemic that has cost countless lives and trillions of dollars in economic damage, I can't think of any good reason to exclude this low cost treatment option that is more safe than aspirin.

your answers help me to understand the context behind why you are posting this stuff.

Sure, I'll bite.
 

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Ok good. That is likely the person you should be seeking advice on Invermectin.

right. But we aren’t just relying on vaccines alone. We actually have three approved treatment drugs. Drugs that went through the appropriate methodology to get approved. So no, we aren’t just relying on the Vaccine. It’s a combo of measures. Including masking, distancing, hand washing etc etc.

and there are way more studies and links that say the evidence that Invermectin has yet to be proven to be effective and requires more robust studies and clinical trials using actual methodology. Not anecdotal or observational studies. I have yet to see anything that says “NO” outright. Only that more study is required.

the issue is that anti vaxxers are pushing this treatment to the detriment of those who actually need the drug for its intended purpose (there is a shortage due to hoarding) and even more strangely normal people buying the livestock version to self treat becaus of what they read on the internet to confirm their own beliefs.
 

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Ok good. That is likely the person you should be seeking advice on Invermectin.

right. But we aren’t just relying on vaccines alone. We actually have three approved treatment drugs. Drugs that went through the appropriate methodology to get approved. So no, we aren’t just relying on the Vaccine. It’s a combo of measures. Including masking, distancing, hand washing etc etc.

and there are way more studies and links that say the evidence that Invermectin has yet to be proven to be effective and requires more robust studies and clinical trials using actual methodology. Not anecdotal or observational studies. I have yet to see anything that says “NO” outright. Only that more study is required.

the issue is that anti vaxxers are pushing this treatment to the detriment of those who actually need the drug for its intended purpose (there is a shortage due to hoarding) and even more strangely normal people buying the livestock version to self treat becaus of what they read on the internet to confirm their own beliefs.
 

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You can't reduce admissions and deaths without reducing cases.

Sure you can. Apply controls (including self-discipline) which reduce cases among those over 50 while allowing more cases among those under 50.
 

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