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Likely it's the only place that is obvious, but i agree it's a poor choice
Odd choice indeed. If they're organized enough to do multiple simultaneous protests, someone in the collective knows there's federal and provincial political offices to be picketed in almost all the areas targeted. Unless they believe (or want the public to believe) that Big Medical's part of the problem, too. Who knows?
Well, it seems that some people aren’t able to figure out that the government’s direction came from….you know….the government…and not the health care workers.
Well, some of them seem to know about some government stuff ....
 

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Why would the hospitals trying to help be a focus for pushing back, though? Why are they pushing back at people who are trying to cure people who are sick, and not against the politicians who make the decisions?
In a douche bag way it's the perfect strategy. At one point the population will stop being pissed off at the protestors and turn their anger towards the government for not fixing the situation.

I'd imagine it's like protesting at the Parliament. What's that going to do? Give the MPs OT opportunities or have them just sit at home and get paid? Making life hell for average citizens gets more results IMO.
 

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In a douche bag way it's the perfect strategy. At one point the population will stop being pissed off at the protestors and turn their anger towards the government for not fixing the situation.

I'd imagine it's like protesting at the Parliament. What's that going to do? Give the MPs OT opportunities or have them just sit at home and get paid? Making life hell for average citizens gets more results IMO.
Protests at Parliament are so common that they practically never get noticed. I pretty frequently see various protest groups (anti mask/vax are common lately) talking about getting people in from across Canada for a 'freedom rally' up to Parliament Hill that will 'wake everyone up'... Then they clog up Elgin for a bit, a few Ottawa Police guys and girls on bikes tag along, they yell into cheap megaphones on the hill for an hour while the bored Parliamentary Protective Service guys look on, then they leave and take to twitter whining about how the media didn't cover their protest. Often as not they weren't even the only protest on the hill that day.
 

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The last round of protests in the Vancouver area involved blocking major intersections. Protesting on the lawn beside city hall just doesn't get any attention, apparently. So obstruction and inconvenience inflicted on others is the order of the day. And it's all tolerated by the powers that be. All sorts of reasons were advanced by spokespeople of various public agencies why the protestors couldn't be rousted, despite partial interference with traffic bound for VGH and the assorted clinics and other facilities in the vicinity.

I would prefer obstructions to be cleared promptly, but that's not the principle others have chosen for us.
 

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Classy. This guy better hope he doesn't get brought in with COVID when she's on duty....


Protester spat at Nanaimo nurse outside hospital, RCMP say​


A nurse heading to work was spat at during a protest Wednesday, Nanaimo RCMP say.

The woman told police the man was participating in an anti-vaccine-card rally outside Nanaimo Regional General Hospital, Const. Gary O’Brien said.

 

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In a douche bag way it's the perfect strategy. At one point the population will stop being pissed off at the protestors and turn their anger towards the government for not fixing the situation.
Until everyone gets the message & hates government, though, just like others who obstruct/deny access services/venues in protest, they shouldn't complain about people getting pissed off at them.

And wait'll just one person gets held up sick in an ambulance and gets worse or dies.
Protester spat at Nanaimo nurse outside hospital, RCMP say
Hmmm, if only there was a provincial or federal politician's office in Nanaimo to protest at ...

Seems to be an interesting recurring theme here about the medical professionals being part of the problem.

Everyone is scared of something - loosing their freedom, getting sick, "papers please", losing their job, seeing a loved one die. Pick your fear.

When the lockdowns were on hard, a lot of people who would agree with at least some of these protesters were telling others who were scared, "hey, let me live my life normally, and if you're scared/a coward, just lock yourself up & let me be free." Now that the protesters appear to be scared, how would they feel about memes coming at them saying the same thing?

Maybe things would get less crazy if everyone remembered that we're all afraid of something, and that maybe consider that when thinking about the other side? Then again, the way politics is played these days, I'm being naive.
 

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Why cant people just live and let live ?

Don't want the vaccine ? Don't take it. Want the vaccine ? Here, have some.

Both are actions with reactions.

But protesting medical workers... Spitting on them. That's offside, back 10.

Too many people trying to inflict their positions and opinions on others these days.
 

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Why cant people just live and let live ?

Don't want the vaccine ? Don't take it. Want the vaccine ? Here, have some.

Both are actions with reactions.

But protesting medical workers... Spitting on them. That's offside, back 10.

Too many people trying to inflict their positions and opinions on others these days.
Some people are legitimately unable to get vaccinated; anyone under 12, anyone whose had an allergic reaction to an mRNA, anyone with certain heart conditions likely to be aggravated by the vaccine. We’ve decided that we can’t fault them and that they should be able to participate in society. However, the foot stomping ‘don’t want to’, freedom crowd who would rather take horse pills because all the world’s governments are participating in a huge scheme to control people by making them wear masks, they’re putting the first group at risk and that group has no choice.
 

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Some people are legitimately unable to get vaccinated; anyone under 12, anyone whose had an allergic reaction to an mRNA, anyone with certain heart conditions likely to be aggravated by the vaccine. We’ve decided that we can’t fault them and that they should be able to participate in society. However, the foot stomping ‘don’t want to’, freedom crowd who would rather take horse pills because all the world’s governments are participating in a huge scheme to control people by making them wear masks, they’re putting the first group at risk and that group has no choice.
Thanks Kev, that summarises my feelings exactly.
 

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Why cant people just live and let live ?

Don't want the vaccine ? Don't take it. Want the vaccine ? Here, have some.
Judging by the previous article with people protesting, it’s clear that we need to seriously consider cutting off healthcare to those who choose not to get vaccinated and move on with society. It’s only going to get worse with people losing their minds. Healthcare workers will eventually just strike and walk off the job province wide from burn out.

Don’t want the vaccine? Don’t get. However go seek healthcare outside the social treatment umbrella. We can’t risk the system collapsing over personal choices that these idiots make.
 

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Some people are legitimately unable to get vaccinated; anyone under 12, anyone whose had an allergic reaction to an mRNA, anyone with certain heart conditions likely to be aggravated by the vaccine. We’ve decided that we can’t fault them and that they should be able to participate in society. However, the foot stomping ‘don’t want to’, freedom crowd who would rather take horse pills because all the world’s governments are participating in a huge scheme to control people by making them wear masks, they’re putting the first group at risk and that group has no choice.
And as with many groups of people, it only takes a few, loud, idiotic examples of the red to ruin it for the yellow :cry:
 

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Judging by the previous article with people protesting, it’s clear that we need to seriously consider cutting off healthcare to those who choose not to get vaccinated and move on with society. It’s only going to get worse with people losing their minds. Healthcare workers will eventually just strike and walk off the job province wide from burn out.

Don’t want the vaccine? Don’t get. However go seek healthcare outside the social treatment umbrella. We can’t risk the system collapsing over personal choices that these idiots make.
We could go the Australian route, without federal tax benefits to those who don't, that withheld money gets diverted ti the health care system.
 

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Judging by the previous article with people protesting, it’s clear that we need to seriously consider cutting off healthcare to those who choose not to get vaccinated and move on with society. It’s only going to get worse with people losing their minds. Healthcare workers will eventually just strike and walk off the job province wide from burn out.

Don’t want the vaccine? Don’t get. However go seek healthcare outside the social treatment umbrella. We can’t risk the system collapsing over personal choices that these idiots make.
If I recall, the whole purpose of lockdowns was to protect the health system from collapse. In the last 18 months what has each province and the feds done to increase ICU capacity or other healthcare resources so that our precarious healthcare system isn't so vulnerable? The ICU capacity near me is only staffed to operate at 75% capacity, and it is presently at 80% capacity (with half of those COVID cases). We have always been and continue to be literally one bad car accident from the ICU being overwhelmed on any given day. Nothing has been done to fix this.
 

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If I recall, the whole purpose of lockdowns was to protect the health system from collapse. In the last 18 months what has each province and the feds done to increase ICU capacity or other healthcare resources so that our precarious healthcare system isn't so vulnerable? The ICU capacity near me is only staffed to operate at 75% capacity, and it is presently at 80% capacity (with half of those COVID cases). We have always been and continue to be literally one bad car accident from the ICU being overwhelmed on any given day. Nothing has been done to fix this.
The feds and provinces have thrown a ton of resources at ICUs, with some resulting increases in capacity. The reality, however, is that beds and ventilators aren’t the choke point. Trained clinical specialists are- critical care doctors, critical care nurses, respiratory therapists… ICUs normally assign a single nurse per bed, dedicated. During COVID they’ve had to thin this out massively in some spots- an example I’ve seen cited is two nurses sharing five ICU beds. Obviously and inevitably this risks degrading care. They’re running as thin as they can get away with.

Critical care nurses aren’t infantry. You can’t produce one in a couple of months. Few are willingly entering into this specialization during the pandemic, and many are burning out. Then on top of that, some provincial governments - Ontario and Alberta in particular - are basically telling nurses to go fuck themselves with wage cuts (and yes, a below inflation salary adjustment is a cut). So they aren’t having the easiest time filling vacancies.

You know how at the peak of Afghanistan some CAF trades were desperately struggling for personnel, many burned out, many released? That seems to be the critical care medical professions right now.
 

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Exactly right........like I've mentioned before, my GF's Sister is a hospital dietitian, and she's doing shifts in ICU just because there ain't enough people. And money is NOT the problem.
 

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Judging by the previous article with people protesting, it’s clear that we need to seriously consider cutting off healthcare to those who choose not to get vaccinated and move on with society. It’s only going to get worse with people losing their minds. Healthcare workers will eventually just strike and walk off the job province wide from burn out.

Don’t want the vaccine? Don’t get. However go seek healthcare outside the social treatment umbrella. We can’t risk the system collapsing over personal choices that these idiots make.
You can't deny people medical care. Jesus our medics have to preform aid on people who moments before were trying to kill them. Trying to deny people medical care because they didn't take vaccine, that's a scary path to smokers not getting medical treatment to those playing contact sports not getting treatments.

You can, though, let private business decide who can an can't access their good and services though vaccination passports or cards.
 
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If I recall, the whole purpose of lockdowns was to protect the health system from collapse. In the last 18 months what has each province and the feds done to increase ICU capacity or other healthcare resources so that our precarious healthcare system isn't so vulnerable? The ICU capacity near me is only staffed to operate at 75% capacity, and it is presently at 80% capacity (with half of those COVID cases). We have always been and continue to be literally one bad car accident from the ICU being overwhelmed on any given day. Nothing has been done to fix this.
My wife’s friend is an oncologist and she’s been working in the ICU for like a year to up the staffing there.
 

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My wife’s friend is an oncologist and she’s been working in the ICU for like a year to up the staffing there.
My ex is Director of Quality, Performance, Professional Practice and Chief Nursing Executive at a major downtown hospital. It's challenging times there, and from what I'm told, also where I used to work.

We have always been and continue to be literally one bad car accident from the ICU being overwhelmed on any given day.
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