All things Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)

[Weinie]

Bottles or King Cans? The scientific method demands precision.

Pfft.Who drinks pitiful little bottles anymore

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I’m not looking at CBC stuff btw. But look, go ahead and use it. Or not. I honestly don’t care beyond the dangerous path that sort of opinion takes people. I didn’t roll with horse pills or mention that someone else did but the morons in Alberta who think there is a cover up going to Randy’s feed and seed are rolling with the horse pill lol.

meanwhile I’ll stick with 80% vaccination rate we achieved here where I live based on real science and rational people.

Except that is not going to stop Covid, not even 95%. the numbers of people who are vaccinated and get Covid particularly the new variants is going to increase.

 

[dapaterson]

Pfft.Who drinks pitiful little bottles anymore

Science insists you do both, now.

 

[cavalryman]

Science insists you do both, now.

To heck with science. I drink scotch out of a proper-sized glass, not swill pretending to be beer.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Meanwhile, in BC:

B.C. is in a “pandemic of the unvaccinated,” said Dr. Bonnie Henry. “What we’re seeing is this has become a pandemic that is spreading rapidly amongst pockets of people who are unvaccinated.”

COVID-19 infections are 10 times higher among the unvaccinated, while hospitalization rates are 17 times higher, said Henry. Age-based models show that, for instance, a 50-year old person who is unvaccinated has a 12 times greater risk of getting infected with COVID-19, and a 34 times greater risk of ending up in hospital.

Booster shots for long-term care, vaccine mandate for hospital staff on their way: Henry

Dr. Bonnie Henry signalled Tuesday that an expanded vaccine mandate for health-care workers is coming soon and booster shots for the elderly and immune-compromised will be offered in the coming weeks. Henry, B.C.

www.timescolonist.com

 

[Remius]

Except that is not going to stop Covid, not even 95%. the numbers of people who are vaccinated and get Covid particularly the new variants is going to increase.

Oh for sure. But the overwhelming number of people getting it ARE the unvaccinated, and if we get variants it will be because of the unvaccinated. But my odds are far higher of not getting it by being vaccinated and being in a population with as many vaccinated people as possible. Luckily I’m living in area where that number is one of the highest in the country.

im willing to bet that when Ford is forced to lock down again he will strike a balance and the Vaccinated won’t be as locked down as the unvaccinated.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Interesting that they have to mandate the healthcare workers into getting vaccinated, wonder why that is?

 

[Remius]

Interesting that they have to mandate the healthcare workers into getting vaccinated, wonder why that is?

Probably a certain percentage are like any other denier/conspiracy type etc etc that you find in any population. Probably some that are vaccine hesitant as well. Health care workers includes a large swath of people from doctors to orderlies to diaper changers in nursing homes.

 

[kev994]

I don’t even know what to think of this. On one hand at least there’s some medical advice in the ruling. On the other hand, what happens if this goes poorly? Are they obliged to keep giving the medication even if there’s an adverse reaction?
Judge orders hospital to treat Ohio Covid patient with ivermectin

 

[Remius]

I don’t even know what to think of this. On one hand at least there’s some medical advice in the ruling. On the other hand, what happens if this goes poorly? Are they obliged to keep giving the medication even if there’s an adverse reaction?
Judge orders hospital to treat Ohio Covid patient with ivermectin

The guy is at death’s door so I assume that experimental treatment is warranted. The irony being that some people do not want the vaccine because they think it’s experimental but when they are on their last legs they have no issues with experimental treatments.

 

[MilEME09]

Interesting that they have to mandate the healthcare workers into getting vaccinated, wonder why that is?

How about the obvious answer of protecting our hospital system? Look how many doctors, nurses, etc are infected or have died in the states or Europe. It causes the entire system to strain and slowly collapse.

 

[QV]

The guy is at death’s door so I assume that experimental treatment is warranted. The irony being that some people do not want the vaccine because they think it’s experimental but when they are on their last legs they have no issues with experimental treatments.

Remius still having difficulty distinguishing between a new vaccine with no long term safety data from a Nobel Prize winning ivermectin that’s been around for 40 years but used off label.

 

[MilEME09]

Remius still having difficulty distinguishing between a new vaccine with no long term safety data from a Nobel Prize winning ivermectin that’s been around for 40 years but used off label.

No vaccine ever has long term studies until they have been used long term, that's how science works. Consider this for a second, the Covid 19 vaccines have become the medical drug with the largest data set in human medical history. Call it experimental all you want but the sheer volume of data available dwarfs every other vaccine ever created. Ivermectin is designed to kill parasites, human grade doses are controlled, and the major paper touting it as a treatment for covid had to be withdrawn for major inconsistencies, plagiarism, ethical concerns, among other problems.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

How about the obvious answer of protecting our hospital system? Look how many doctors, nurses, etc are infected or have died in the states or Europe. It causes the entire system to strain and slowly collapse.

I was referring more to the fact that quite a number of doctors and nurses are reluctant to take these vaccines.

 

[ModlrMike]

I've had 9 beers numerous times.

That's not the same as 9 times the recommended dose.

 

[dapaterson]

That's not the same as 9 times the recommended dose.

Exactly. Recommended is two, so for nine times you'd have to drink 18.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Yeeeeee hawwww....

Western provinces driving Canada's 4th COVID-19 wave as physicians warn cases 'out of control'​

In British Columbia, Alberta and Saskatchewan, infection rates are high above the country's average and far beyond every province to the east, including Ontario, whose population is larger than all three westernmost provinces combined.

The rate of cases in the last seven days in B.C. was 93 per 100,000 people as of Aug. 30, federal data shows, with Alberta's rate at 159 and Saskatchewan's at 135 — with no province to the east hitting more than 43.

In terms of raw case growth, Alberta currently has the most new infections in the country, with more than 7,000 cases reported in one week.

The province is now in the early stages of postponing surgeries and transferring patients to help boost capacity, but it has yet to reinstate major public health measures or bring in a vaccine mandate to curb case growth as the fast-spreading delta variant surges across much of the country.

"Things are going very poorly. They're only going to get worse," said Dr. Ilan Schwartz, an infectious diseases clinician and researcher at the University of Alberta in Edmonton.

"And the time for intervention was yesterday — or realistically, weeks ago — and if nothing is done, it's only going to continue to spiral out of control."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/canada-western-provinces-covid-case-growth-1.6160025

 

[Remius]

No vaccine ever has long term studies until they have been used long term, that's how science works. Consider this for a second, the Covid 19 vaccines have become the medical drug with the largest data set in human medical history. Call it experimental all you want but the sheer volume of data available dwarfs every other vaccine ever created. Ivermectin is designed to kill parasites, human grade doses are controlled, and the major paper touting it as a treatment for covid had to be withdrawn for major inconsistencies, plagiarism, ethical concerns, among other problems.

Sums it up nicely.

 

[Remius]

In Ontario News.

Ontario reveals vaccine passport system for restaurants, gyms and theatres. Here's what you need to know

Proof of COVID-19 vaccination will be required to access non-essential businesses in Ontario, including gyms, indoor restaurants, movie theatres and concert halls, under the province's new vaccine certification program starting Sept. 22.

toronto.ctvnews.ca

 

[Weinie]

That's not the same as 9 times the recommended dose.

When I was screening for my first Bosnia tour, the doctor inquired how much alcohol I consumed on a daily basis. I said it varied depending on the day, event, activity, access etc etc. His recommendation to me: For a whole variety of health and safety reasons, I recommend that you have, at most, one beer a day.

Sometimes I have exceeded the recommended dose.

Exactly. Recommended is two, so for nine times you'd have to drink 18.

Been there. Done that