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All things Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)

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Defence lawyer praises judge's decision to dismiss non-vaccinated jurors​

The defence lawyer in an upcoming first-degree murder trial in Ottawa is applauding the judge's decision to only allow jurors who've said they've been fully vaccinated against COVID-19. ...
... "The defence wants intelligent people on the jury [that] understand complicated notions like the presumption of innocence, concepts like proof beyond a reasonable doubt," Harbic said.

"In my own [opinion] the great majority of people who are not getting their double vaccination do not trust science ... I think [they] lack a considerable amount of sophistication, and also lack a certain amount of social responsibility to other members of the community. So they're not the kind of jurors I would want on my jury anyway." ...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-trial-jury-vaccinations-1.6157722

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The levels of ignorance makes one squirm...

Alberta feed stores inundated with calls for ivermectin over false claims livestock dewormer treats COVID​


Alberta feed stores say they're receiving a deluge of callers asking to buy ivermectin due to misinformation that suggests the livestock dewormer can be used to treat COVID-19 in humans.

Lance Olson, manager of Lone Star Tack & Feed Inc., located just outside of Calgary, said false claims circulating about the animal medication have brought the wrong kind of attention to his business.

"It's obviously not intended for human use in any way shape or form. It's meant to get rid of worms in horses' guts … so, these people see that ivermectin liquid, they search it, our website comes up and they give us a call thinking that we can just sell it to them," Olson said.

 

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The levels of ignorance makes one squirm...

It sure does. So does the absolute disingenuous assault on science in the name of one solution to a worldwide problem.



I'd listen to these guys on treating these kinds of illnesses over the CBC: The FLCCC Physicians | FLCCC | Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance
 

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You mean these "posers"

or these White paper on Ivermectin as a potential therapy for COVID-19
Check the date on that white paper. India did indeed adopt invermectin and promptly dropped it. Those “posers” are clinicians using bad science. Waste of bandwidth. But Darwinism will soon come into play as people keep taking livestock medicine as result of people promoting this irresponsibly.
 

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People won’t take vaccines but will take horse pills because it’s safer. Clown world. It’s a shame these pills aren’t more lethal, we don’t need these people in society.
 

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People won’t take vaccines but will take horse pills because it’s safer. Clown world. It’s a shame these pills aren’t more lethal, we don’t need these people in society.

But they're keeping the pharmacists busy and making money.
 

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Check the date on that white paper. India did indeed adopt invermectin and promptly dropped it. Those “posers” are clinicians using bad science. Waste of bandwidth. But Darwinism will soon come into play as people keep taking livestock medicine as result of people promoting this irresponsibly.
Pushed to do so by the WHO, which I have zero trust in as an organisation, just look at how they handled the initial outbreak. There is enough evidence that Invermectin works to reduce Covid effects, there is less evidence that it works as an alternative to vaccines.
 

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There is enough circumstantial and observational evidence to warrant maybe an actual controlled study. Until that happens it isn’t anywhere near where you think it is.
 

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There have been a number of trials already conducted that show that while ivermectin can have antiviral action, the doses required are excessive. To quote from one:

"An important controversial point to consider in any rationale is the 5 µM required concentration to reach the anti-SARS-CoV-2 action of ivermectin observed in vitro,17 which is much higher than 0.28 µM, the maximum reported plasma concentration achieved in vivo with a dose of approximately 1700 µg/kg (about nine times the FDA-approved dosification)" [1].

I'm pretty sure that 9 times the recommended dose of anything isn't going to be good for you. However, a properly conducted, randomized control trial of sufficient size and robustness could be helpful.

[1] Misleading clinical evidence and systematic reviews on ivermectin for COVID-19
 
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Astounding how many of you folks keep saying that and ignore stuff like this:


Meta analysis using the most serious outcome reported shows 72% [55‑82%] and 86% [75‑92%] improvement for early treatment and prophylaxis, with similar results after exclusion based sensitivity analysis and restriction to peer-reviewed studies or Randomized Controlled Trials.
•Statistically significant improvements are seen for mortality, hospitalization, recovery, cases, and viral clearance. 27 studies show statistically significant improvements in isolation. The probability that an ineffective treatment generated results as positive as the 63 studies is estimated to be 1 in 1 trillion.


StudiesProphylaxisEarly treatmentLate treatmentPatientsAuthors
All studies6386% [75‑92%]72% [55‑82%]40% [24‑52%]26,422613
Peer-reviewed4486% [73‑92%]75% [61‑84%]43% [21‑59%]17,082479
Randomized Controlled Trials3184% [25‑96%]61% [46‑71%]30% [2‑50%]6,561359


But you see this and run with it: www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ivermectin-alberta-covid-1.6157200
 

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Check the date on that white paper. India did indeed adopt invermectin and promptly dropped it. Those “posers” are clinicians using bad science. Waste of bandwidth. But Darwinism will soon come into play as people keep taking livestock medicine as result of people promoting this irresponsibly.
You have to be trolling now. Have you looked at the curriculum vitae for those "clinicians using bad science" as you state? Here is one brief summary:
Dr. Marik has written over 500 peer-reviewed journal articles, 80 book chapters and authored four critical care books. He has been cited over 43,000 times in peer-reviewed publications and has an H-index of 77. He has delivered over 350 lectures at international conferences and visiting professorships. He has received numerous teaching awards, including the National Teacher of the Year award by the American College of Physicians in 2017....He is the 2nd most published critical care physician in the world ever, and is a world renowned expert in the management of sepsis – his contributions to the understanding and management of the hemodynamic, fluid, nutritional, and supportive care practices in sepsis have transformed the care of patients throughout the world. He also led the Society of Critical Care Medicine task force on corticosteroids in sepsis. He has already co-authored 10 papers on many therapeutic aspects of COVID-19.

It's not just a couple of quacks that have been speaking out on the YouTubes, it's a number of the world's top experts. Here are a few more that have been ignored or sidelined on how this has all been handled:

Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University, a biostatistician, and epidemiologist with expertise in detecting and monitoring infectious disease outbreaks and vaccine safety evaluations.

Dr. Sunetra Gupta, professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases.

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert focusing on infectious diseases and vulnerable populations.


Are you all comfortable with ignoring that and rolling with the status quo?
Has Dr. Tam and this government infused the necessary levels of confidence from the start on all of this?
Of all the things this government has screwed up, is the COVID response the one thing they got exactly correct?
You know Ivermectin has been in human use for 40 years with an excellent safety profile but you roll with "horse pill!"?

Those are rhetorical, I'm not looking for any of your answers. I'm just the contrarian pointing out other available data that exists beyond a CBC headline.
 

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I’m not looking at CBC stuff btw. But look, go ahead and use it. Or not. I honestly don’t care beyond the dangerous path that sort of opinion takes people. I didn’t roll with horse pills or mention that someone else did but the morons in Alberta who think there is a cover up going to Randy’s feed and seed are rolling with the horse pill lol.

meanwhile I’ll stick with 80% vaccination rate we achieved here where I live based on real science and rational people.
 

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There have been a number of trials already conducted that show that while ivermectin can have antiviral action, the doses required are excessive. To quote from one:

"An important controversial point to consider in any rationale is the 5 µM required concentration to reach the anti-SARS-CoV-2 action of ivermectin observed in vitro,17 which is much higher than 0.28 µM, the maximum reported plasma concentration achieved in vivo with a dose of approximately 1700 µg/kg (about nine times the FDA-approved dosification)" [1].

I'm pretty sure that 9 times the recommended dose of anything isn't going to be good for you. However, a properly conducted, randomized control trial of sufficient size and robustness could be helpful.

[1] Misleading clinical evidence and systematic reviews on ivermectin for COVID-19
I've had 9 beers numerous times. :cool:
 
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