All things Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)

[Good2Golf]

The long-term effects of haircuts are reasonably well known.

What about moustaches?

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

The long-term effects of haircuts are reasonably well known.

And it appears that so are the long term effects of not being vaccinated, some travel restrictions, employment restrictions, ...hey, just like not getting that haircut.

 

[Quirky]

This thread is fun.

 

[Loachman]

What about moustaches?

Ownership is immensely satisfying.

 

[Mick]

You didn't

Ok, well, refer to my references to hassles at the border and change 'explicitly' to 'implicitly'.

Doesn't change what I've been saying.

 

[Loachman]

And it appears that so are the long term effects of not being vaccinated, some travel restrictions, employment restrictions, ...hey, just like not getting that haircut.

Hardly equivalent.

And the haircut - and other policies - pre-existed my enrollment and were known and accepted.

Vaccine-based restrictions would represent an unreasonable and immoral midstream imposition.

Assuaging one party's unreasonable fears by putting pressure on another party's personal medical choices is neither reasonable nor moral.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

I'm sure glad I don't have smallpox...

 

[Weinie]

I'm sure glad I don't have smallpox...

Or Bigpox

 

[Mick]

You know what, that's fair.

Currently 2 provinces are doing vaccine passports, and one of those, Quebec, has said they won't be a used as a requirement for employment.

The Feds (Trudeau) have come out against it.( in a domestic sense)

So the only ones making inane arguments for some sort of societal restrictions based on vaccine status are people like you.

Whatever you say.

dapaterson said:
You already require proof of certain vaccinations for travel to certain countries. Some professions require proof of TB testing and, if there's a false positive, a chest xray.

Requiring proof of vaccination is nothing new... but thanks for reminding me. I have money to invest, and Alcan looks pretty good.

For international travel, sure.

For going to a restaurant, bar, sporting event? No.

 

[Altair]

Whatever you say.

One cannot argue the requirements other countries have in place for entry.

One can argue what domestic requirements are for certain activities.

I don't bother with the former, and have had a consistent view on the latter.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Or Bigpox

How about Monkeypox?

 

[Mick]

One cannot argue the requirements other countries have in place for entry.

One can argue what domestic requirements are for certain activities.

I don't bother with the former, and have had a consistent view on the latter.

Fair enough.

I'll restate one last time before giving it a rest:

I fully support the ability of people to choose whether they receive a COVID vaccine or not.

Whatever one chooses, consequences may follow:

One can choose to receive the vaccine. Perhaps one will develop health complications down the road. I strongly believe that's unlikely, but it's a possible consequence I accept.

On the flip side, one can refuse the vaccine. In the near term, this decision will impact ease of travel (i.e. quarantine upon return) and may affect employment, and probably other aspects of one's life. One may expect these real and/or potential consequences until a greater number of Canadians are fully vaccinated.

This isn't an inane argument; it's what we as a country are currently living through, until more Canadians are fully vaccinated. I fully expect the latter consequences to continue to diminish as the number of fully vaccinated Canadians increases.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Regarding choices, I did not choose to be born in Canada; I made an informed choice to join the Res F.

 

[OceanBonfire]

2 doses of Pfizer's shot was 88% effective at preventing symptomatic disease from the Delta variant, compared to 93.7% against the Alpha variant, broadly the same as previously reported.

Two shots of AstraZeneca vaccine were 67% effective against the Delta variant, up from 60% originally reported, and 74.5% effective against the Alpha variant, compared to an original estimate of 66% effectiveness.

Two doses of Pfizer, AstraZeneca shots effective against Delta variant: study

Two doses of Pfizer (PFE.N) or AstraZeneca's (AZN.L) COVID-19 vaccine are nearly as effective against the highly transmissible Delta coronavirus variant as they are against the previously dominant Alpha variant, a study published on Wednesday showed.

www.reuters.com

And another study similar to a previous one weeks ago found that a larger gap between the 2 shots increases antibodies but doesn't last long after the first shot:

Spacing Pfizer COVID shots boosts antibody levels in long-term study

A longer gap between doses of Pfizer's (PFE.N) COVID-19 vaccine leads to higher overall antibody levels than a shorter gap, a British study found on Friday, but antibody levels are not sustained for long after the first dose.

www.reuters.com

 

[MilEME09]

The YouTubers who blew the whistle on an anti-vax plot

A mysterious marketing agency secretly offered to pay social media stars to spread disinformation about Covid-19 vaccines

www.bbc.com

Anti-vax agencies paying influential social media personalities to spread misinformation. Links possibly to Russia, the information war to destabilize the west via anti-vax and other means is very real.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Delta Force is pounding the USA... possible death rates look grim:

The Delta Variant Will Drive A Steep Rise In U.S. COVID Deaths, A New Model Shows​

In the most likely scenario, Lessler says, the U.S. reaches only 70% vaccination among eligible Americans, and the delta variant is 60% more transmissible.

In that scenario, at the peak in mid-October, there would be around 60,000 cases and around 850 deaths each day, Lessler says.

Each scenario also includes a range of how bad things could get — the very worst end of the range for the most likely scenario shows about 240,000 people getting infected and 4,000 people dying each day at the October peak, which would be almost as bad as last winter.

Lessler notes that there's a lot of uncertainty in these projections and that how things actually plays out depends on lots of factors, including whether the vaccination campaign picks up steam and whether other mitigation measures are put back into place.

The Delta Variant Will Drive A Steep Rise In U.S. COVID Deaths, A New Model Shows

New estimates show the U.S. is on track to see a big rise in cases and more than triple the number of deaths by October.

www.npr.org

 

[mariomike]

This will cover some 314,000 New York City employees. And some city contractors,

De Blasio to expand COVID vaccine-or-test mandate to all city workers

Mayor Bill de Blasio will announce the expansion of the vaccination-or-test mandate to the entire city workforce — all 300,000-plus municipal employees, including the DOE and the NYPD.

nypost.com

 

[QV]

CDC's Laboratory Outreach Communication System (LOCS) | CDC

www.cdc.gov

"CDC encourages laboratories to consider adoption of a multiplexed method that can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses."

 

[PMedMoe]

CDC's Laboratory Outreach Communication System (LOCS) | CDC

www.cdc.gov

"CDC encourages laboratories to consider adoption of a multiplexed method that can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses."

And:

"Such assays can facilitate continued testing for both influenza and SARS-CoV-2 and can save both time and resources as we head into influenza season."

Actually makes sense, so I'm not sure what your point is.

 

[QV]

You don't find it at all interesting when the CDC has to specifically mention to get a test that can differentiate between SARS-CoV-2 and influenza?

Why is that?

Wouldn't that have been very important before now? They were locking the whole world down over PCR testing results of mostly asymptomatic people... so hopefully the PCR test could clearly differentiate between COVID and the flu ... But influenza was practically absent this past year, normally news like that would be a big celebration... How are those lawsuits related to PCR testing going in other countries?

Nothing to see here, move along