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Fox news astoundingly had more factual coverage on the election than CNN. They have gained my respect for that.
I replied in a non-Covid thread,


 

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One bit at a time.

NS Province gets injunction to block all anti-public health order protests

Ban prevents groups from staging illegal gatherings in defiance of public health orders

The provincial government has been granted an injunction that will put a stop to all anti-vaccine and anti-public health order protests, including an anti-mask rally that was planned for Saturday in Halifax.

I agree the virus needs to be stopped, but the ease which governments continue to roll forward with restrictions is just as concerning.
 

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Considering the Health Minister/Ministry refuses to tell Canadians what restrictions will be lifted when they're vaccinated, it doesn't seem like we're getting lucky at all. Pretty hard to win over vaccine-hesitant people when there's literally no light at the end of the tunnel or targets for vaccination numbers.

Contrast that with the US, where they're giving out vaccines to people attending baseball games (for a Canadian team, that can't play in Canada).

Vaccines Will be Offered at Blue Jays Games in Buffalo
 

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I agree the virus needs to be stopped, but the ease which governments continue to roll forward with restrictions is just as concerning.


Obviously, things change on a weekly basis, and differ from province to province. However, it is concerning that governments of all levels seem extremely slow to give back the freedoms they were so quick to take away in the name of public health.

Were restrictions necessary? Yes, especially before the vaccines became available. But now that vaccines are available, and are becoming drastically more abundant this month & the months to follow...it would be nice for a government to roll out a solid framework for staged reopening.

In some parts of the country, like Ontario, it has gone way too far. Even when Doug Ford gets to call the shots, and has an opportunity to shine (like he seemed to at the beginning of the pandemic) - it seems like the rolling cluster**** that is government is still quite prevalent. Hopefully the various political parties can start to debate, vote, and govern the country as it should be soon. (Dysfunctional, but with democratic principals as it's foundation.)




I understand the numbers of people vaccinated is a big factor at play here, but it is still quite the comparison when looking at the 'spirit' of government intentions. While many schools, airlines, employers, etc etc will probably require proof of vaccination - and that will undoubtedly be challenged in court with solid legal arguments to be made by both sides - it is good to see a government taking steps to try to get things back to as normal as possible.



With 17.3M Canadians having received at least one dose (and lets remember that many younger Canadians either aren't eligible, or required, etc.) out of a population of roughly 36M, we should start having discussions about reopening. It would certainly motivate people who have procrastinated or just not cared to get off their butts and go get it.

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I should have checked the news, PHAC has graced us with its targets and they're absolutely ridiculous, it's like they pulled these numbers out of their asses.

Canadians can look forward to small, outdoor summer gatherings if vaccine targets are met: officials

Summary:

Summer Target - 75% eligible with 1 dose plus 20% fully vaccinated
Fall Target - 75% fully vaccinated

Total eligible population in Canada is estimated at 32 Million (ages 15 and up, there's probably a couple K extra from the 12-14 group Stats Can didn't have)
75% = 24 Million
20% = 6.4 Million

Canada currently has 17 Million doses delivered, climbing roughly +330K a day. We could hit that 24 Million single doses in a month (21 days). The issue is the fully vaccinated crowd. We're at 1.36 Million, climbing roughly +26K a day (which will slowly climb as less people need that single dose). If the current rate of fully vaccinated folks climbs at the same pace, it's 194 days before 20% of Canadians are fully vaccinated. Let's assume the rate doubles as supply grows, that's still 97 days. So maybe mid-August before you're allowed to have a @#$@#ing picnic outside.

Then they have the gaul to suggest we can't be normal until we hit 75% fully vaccinated. Again, incredibly slow rate that will speed up as more get single doses, but if we assume 6.4 Million fully vaccinated by August, and the rates flip where we're doing 300K fully vaccinated a day, you can maybe have a Thanksgiving dinner with family. Contrast this with the Israeli data, that went from 10K cases per day (13 Jan) with 1.3% fully vaccinated, to 29 cases per day today with 56.3% fully vaccinated (60% have at least 1 dose). If we can't get back to absolute normal with 29 cases per day, we live in a utopian society where we'll keep everyone locked in their houses until no one dies again. This 75% fully vaccinated number is just straight fear mongering, with no basis in science.

Canadians aren't stupid, but PHAC sure thinks we are. The good news is that some provinces like Saskatchewan are rejecting draconian lockdowns and magic numbers by starting to slowly open their economies. Hopefully Ontario follows Scott Moe's lead, but Doug Ford seems blinded to follow the "COVID Zero" Ontario Science Table that looks like they want no one to ever die from COVID ever again.
 

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I should have checked the news, PHAC has graced us with its targets and they're absolutely ridiculous, it's like they pulled these numbers out of their asses.

Canadians can look forward to small, outdoor summer gatherings if vaccine targets are met: officials

Summary:

Summer Target - 75% eligible with 1 dose plus 20% fully vaccinated
Fall Target - 75% fully vaccinated

Total eligible population in Canada is estimated at 32 Million (ages 15 and up, there's probably a couple K extra from the 12-14 group Stats Can didn't have)
75% = 24 Million
20% = 6.4 Million

Canada currently has 17 Million doses delivered, climbing roughly +330K a day. We could hit that 24 Million single doses in a month (21 days). The issue is the fully vaccinated crowd. We're at 1.36 Million, climbing roughly +26K a day (which will slowly climb as less people need that single dose). If the current rate of fully vaccinated folks climbs at the same pace, it's 194 days before 20% of Canadians are fully vaccinated. Let's assume the rate doubles as supply grows, that's still 97 days. So maybe mid-August before you're allowed to have a @#$@#ing picnic outside.

Then they have the gaul to suggest we can't be normal until we hit 75% fully vaccinated. Again, incredibly slow rate that will speed up as more get single doses, but if we assume 6.4 Million fully vaccinated by August, and the rates flip where we're doing 300K fully vaccinated a day, you can maybe have a Thanksgiving dinner with family. Contrast this with the Israeli data, that went from 10K cases per day (13 Jan) with 1.3% fully vaccinated, to 29 cases per day today with 56.3% fully vaccinated (60% have at least 1 dose). If we can't get back to absolute normal with 29 cases per day, we live in a utopian society where we'll keep everyone locked in their houses until no one dies again. This 75% fully vaccinated number is just straight fear mongering, with no basis in science.

Canadians aren't stupid, but PHAC sure thinks we are. The good news is that some provinces like Saskatchewan are rejecting draconian lockdowns and magic numbers by starting to slowly open their economies. Hopefully Ontario follows Scott Moe's lead, but Doug Ford seems blinded to follow the "COVID Zero" Ontario Science Table that looks like they want no one to ever die from COVID ever again.
Well said.

If they think Canadians will give a fuck anymore come this summer, the govt is delusional. I'd actually be very disappointed to hear people are still holding up seeing loved ones, especially if they actually went through loneliness and suffered so much mentally to listen what the govt said they should do.

When I heard about Covid Zero strategy, I lost pretty much all hope from this inept govt and their "health officers" lackeys. I thought I must've somehow slid in a parallel universe.

Also, more stuff coming out.

Somehow I doubt the people responsible for this will ever be trialed for this mess where millions died.
 
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people are still holding up seeing loved ones,
My wife must have sent a million photos and videos to my mother since the pandemic began. Phone her every day. I go shopping for her, and deliver to her doorstep. We stand apart from each other in the backyard and chat. Sometimes walk down to Catfish Pond. Do everything I can for her. Because, she's my mom.

Got my first jab one day after she did.

As far as when I start breathing on her again? I will follow medical advice of the Public Health Unit. Not social media.
 

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My wife must have sent a million photos and videos to my mother since the pandemic began. Phone her every day. I go shopping for her, and deliver to her doorstep. We stand apart from each other in the backyard and chat. Sometimes walk down to Catfish Pond. Do everything I can for her. Because, she's my mom.

Got my first jab one day after she did.

As far as when I start breathing on her again? I will follow medical advice of the Public Health Unit. Not social media.
Good for you, I think you should do what you think it's the best, same for everybody else.

Meanwhile, I saw this article

I was reading the comments and it's pretty astounding. Many I think genuinely believe US is still in much worse shape than Canada, and many are scared for the borders to open because "it's not safe", even though their vaccinations stats are through the roof vs Canada and US has a lower per capita cases.

Just shows how well the media propaganda works and how the fear porn makes many think that while Canada the situation is dire (it's not), the rest of the world, especially US, is much worse (it's not, it's actually far better). Makes me instantly think of how Trudeau said on TV that the UK is going through a 3rd wave like Canada, and it's much more deadlier
 

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Many I think genuinely believe US is still in much worse shape than Canada, and many are scared for the borders to open because "it's not safe", even though their vaccinations stats are through the roof vs Canada and US has a lower per capita cases.
For anyone at home keeping score,

Covid-19 deaths per 100,000 population as of Saturday, May 15, 2021 at 06:29 AM EDT.

United States 178.29

Canada 66.13


Johns Hopkins University & Medicine

Good for you, I think you should do what you think it's the best, same for everybody else.

I don't know what's best because I didn't go to medical school. I leave that up to the local Public Health Unit and follow their direction.
 

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I feel I should be able to drive down the left side of the road with a beer in one hand and a cel-phone in the other.

It's call living in a civil society. No right is absolute, even in the US of A, particularly when they collide. If some folks don't like the fact that we have been restricted, or how, they are free to find a political party that was against all of it and pound lawn signs for them. I'm sure Randy Hillier, Mad Max and Sloan will appreciate the support.
 

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I feel I should be able to drive down the left side of the road with a beer in one hand and a cel-phone in the other.

If you built the road on your own land, go for it.
 

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For anyone at home keeping score,

Covid-19 deaths per 100,000 population as of Saturday, May 15, 2021 at 06:29 AM EDT.

United States 178.29

Canada 66.13


Johns Hopkins University & Medicine



I don't know what's best because I didn't go to medical school. I leave that up to the local Public Health Unit and follow their direction.
Give yourself some credit there Mike. I’d take the care of a career paramedic over some of the doctors I’ve met 9 times out of 10 😉👍🏻
 

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Good for you, I think you should do what you think it's the best, same for everybody else.

Meanwhile, I saw this article

I was reading the comments and it's pretty astounding. Many I think genuinely believe US is still in much worse shape than Canada, and many are scared for the borders to open because "it's not safe", even though their vaccinations stats are through the roof vs Canada and US has a lower per capita cases.

Just shows how well the media propaganda works and how the fear porn makes many think that while Canada the situation is dire (it's not), the rest of the world, especially US, is much worse (it's not, it's actually far better). Makes me instantly think of how Trudeau said on TV that the UK is going through a 3rd wave like Canada, and it's much more deadlier
**Not derailing this thread about the media. Promise!

But to be fair - and everybody knows I’m quite disappointed and skepticle of the MSM now. So you aren’t alone in that.

The number of deaths per capita (which is important to keep in mind when looking at numbers) - the US was far worse than we were.

For all of the criticism we give our health care system, we need to remember to recognize the great work it does on a regular basis also. And on a per capita basis, the US numbers were a LOT higher.

As for now, with the US obviously way ahead with their vaccinations? Imagine the risk is pretty mitigated. Our vaccination numbers have got some nice momentum behind them also now :)

Numbers will be hard to determine as the number of people vaccinated increases each day (in both countries). And like you referenced with media and fear...they aren’t reporting the ‘daily vaccinated cases’.

BUT... in many parts of the world is was as bad as the media proclaimed. While the UK is planning to reopen June 21st, my sister is a nurse practitioner there, and it was BAD. Lockdowns were enforced heavily, and it WAS as bad as they said it was.
 

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BUT... in many parts of the world is was as bad as the media proclaimed. While the UK is planning to reopen June 21st, my sister is a nurse practitioner there, and it was BAD. Lockdowns were enforced heavily, and it WAS as bad as they said it was.
I agree, but we need to look what it is now. And Canada is doing worse in terms of vaccines and cases vs US, UK and many EU countries. At least we are getting a bunch of vaccines in the next few weeks.

And this is important. Every country has a opening plan, US, UK, EU. Canada has nothing (actually SK out of all has a plan too). We get a "we'll see how it goes" and when I hear about the zero covid approach Trudeau and Ford are mentioning, I roll my eyes and if the government thinks I'm going to follow their restrictions as summer comes and everyone that wants a vaccine got one they are delusional. And I know for a fact many think the same. Might as well go zero cancer, zero car accidents, zero drug overdose, zero heart attack (I'm looking at you fatties, oh wait, that's taboo and we must be "body positive"), so we all can live forever!
 

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Might as well go zero cancer, zero car accidents, zero drug overdose, zero heart attack (I'm looking at you fatties, oh wait, that's taboo and we must be "body positive"), so we all can live forever!
Reminds me of a pep talk in a movie I went to at the Runnymeade Theatre back in the early 1970's,

The cripple, the junkie...the wounded, and the dying--
they're not worthless...not to us.
To us, each one is worth $42.50.
plus 50 cents a mile.
 
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Reminds me of a pep talk in a movie I went to at the Runnymeade Theatre back in the early 1970's,

Ummm, I didn't make the post you are quoting, Messerschmitt did. Must be a software bug. I'm going to report it on that basis only.
 

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Ummm, I didn't make the post you are quoting, Messerschmitt did. Must be a software bug. I'm going to report it on that basis only.
I'm sorry lenaitch! My mistake. I corrected it. Was not quoting you. Sloppy of me. Thanks for pointing it out. < double-face palm emoji >
 

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I'm sorry lenaitch! My mistake. I corrected it. Was not quoting you. Sloppy of me. Thanks for pointing it out. < double-face palm emoji >

No worries. I figured it was a technical snag. I didn't know one could alter the attribution tag on a quote.
 
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