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All things Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)

The Bread Guy

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Blackadder1916 said:
... (My apologizes for quoting from your post as a starting point, it is not meant to imply that your sentiment is in any way wrong. It was just conveniently the most appropriate when I started writing this, which took some time with concurrent research and my computer freezing up just as I was finishing the draft, though luckily was able to recover it.  Actually, I fully agree with it . . . but with caveats.)...
No apologies needed - and well done on the hunting/digging/sharing.

One English-language media take on the QC situation:  "Military report on Quebec senior homes says conditions difficult but improving"
 

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Sometimes, trying to be cute with an on-line identity can have a way of biting you on the ***.  This may be just such an occasion for Responsive Management Inc which own two of the LTC homes in the Ontario report.  On their website, someone had the brilliant idea to have thought bubbles above the heads of actual personnel that encapsulate some of their management thinking. 

https://responsivegroup.ca/thinking/

I've cropped the screen capture to remove the faces, but hopefully the person on the far right (your right) now regrets his choice of words.
 

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COVID-19 in Ontario is now primarily a Toronto-area problem, figures show

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/covid-19-in-ontario-is-now-primarily-a-toronto-area-problem-figures-show/ar-BB14EXUR

 

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US reaches 100,000 deaths

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/coronavirus-updates-covid-19-cases-us-health-care/story?id=70897864

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-death-toll-100000-united-states/
 

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Don't see a Covid-19 map for the GTA. But, Toronto released one.
https://www.google.com/search?q=covid-19+map+toronto&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiX0ITqx9XpAhVVRc0KHbGaAKwQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=covid-19+map+toronto&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQDDIGCAAQCBAeUOWuA1jMxwNgiu8DaABwAHgAgAHLC4gB5w6SAQc0LTEuNy0xmAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWc&sclient=img&ei=mSjPXtefItWKtQaxtYLgCg&bih=641&biw=1280

Looks like northwest and northeast Toronto, specifically northern Etobicoke, parts of North York and northern Scarborough were hit hardest.

Active COVID-19 Outbreaks in Toronto Retirement Homes and Hospitals, May 27 2020
https://www.toronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/8e7f-Toronto-Active-Institutional-Outbreaks-May-27-2020.pdf

Active COVID-19 Outbreaks in Shelters and Respite Sites
https://www.toronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/8e5b-Toronto-Active-Shelter-Outbreaks-May-27-2020.pdf

Are some populations disproportionately affected by COVID-19 in Toronto?
https://www.toronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/96e0-SDOHandCOVID19_Summary_2020May14.pdf

 

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I'm not sure what the connection is. Maybe just bad luck?

There was a few cases in NS that were just traces to a health care worker who was traveling for non essential stuff and wasn't careful.
 

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Jarnhamar said:
I'm not sure what the connection is. Maybe just bad luck?

Who knows?

I just know my little neighbourhood. Get my groceries delivered by Walmart, and the kids. Others probably know Metro much better than I do.  :)
 

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Blackadder1916 said:
Sometimes, trying to be cute with an on-line identity can have a way of biting you on the ***.  This may be just such an occasion for Responsive Management Inc which own two of the LTC homes in the Ontario report.  On their website, someone had the brilliant idea to have thought bubbles above the heads of actual personnel that encapsulate some of their management thinking. 

https://responsivegroup.ca/thinking/

I've cropped the screen capture to remove the faces, but hopefully the person on the far right (your right) now regrets his choice of words.
Good catch - and don't worry, further down, they seem to be promising to come up with new ideas eventually ...
 

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Blackadder1916 said:
Sometimes, trying to be cute with an on-line identity can have a way of biting you on the ***.  This may be just such an occasion for Responsive Management Inc which own two of the LTC homes in the Ontario report.  On their website, someone had the brilliant idea to have thought bubbles above the heads of actual personnel that encapsulate some of their management thinking. 

https://responsivegroup.ca/thinking/

I've cropped the screen capture to remove the faces, but hopefully the person on the far right (your right) now regrets his choice of words.

lol. "Be all that you can be."  :rofl:
 

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Blackadder1916 said:
Sometimes, trying to be cute with an on-line identity can have a way of biting you on the ***.  This may be just such an occasion for Responsive Management Inc which own two of the LTC homes in the Ontario report.  On their website, someone had the brilliant idea to have thought bubbles above the heads of actual personnel that encapsulate some of their management thinking. 

https://responsivegroup.ca/thinking/

I've cropped the screen capture to remove the faces, but hopefully the person on the far right (your right) now regrets his choice of words.

I wonder which consulting company they 'partnered' with? ;)

BPOP.... haven't heard that one yet. Not sure what it stands for but seems 'innovative'.
 

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Well, we went from the WHO's 3.4-5% fatality rate data, down to the CDCs new fatality rate best estimate of 0.004%. Now that we know more, perhaps we can start opening the economy up and shift the resources away from Wage/Emergency benefits to medical care and protections for the vulnerable populations.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

Also on the heels of the LTC issues in Ontario, New York which has been devastated by COVID-19 was actually ordering nursing homes to take patients even if they were COVID-19 positive, effectively forcing the introduction of the virus into a facility.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/20/832034662/discharging-covid-19-patients-to-nursing-homes-called-a-recipe-for-disaster
 

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PuckChaser said:
Well, we went from the WHO's 3.4-5% fatality rate data, down to the CDCs new fatality rate best estimate of 0.004%. Now that we know more, perhaps we can start opening the economy up and shift the resources away from Wage/Emergency benefits to medical care and protections for the vulnerable populations.

That is 0.004 people die for every 1 person showing symptoms.  So 4 people out of every 1000.  That makes it a 0.4% fatality rate.  Rather significant.
 

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AmmoTech90 said:
That is 0.004 people die for every 1 person showing symptoms.  So 4 people out of every 1000.  That makes it a 0.4% fatality rate.  Rather significant.

4 times worse than flu, based on CDC 2018 estimates of symptomatic people vs influenza deaths.When you look at the age demographics, that rate drops pretty significantly to 2.5 per 1000 for 0 to 64. Annual Flu is about around 1 per 1000 and a lot of people don't even bother with a vaccination every year (1918 Flu was about 27 per 1000 in the US). At what point do we do some risk management and realize we can modify some processes and behaviours for the new environment we're in, but locking everyone down for a year or more until a vaccine is found (California) isn't sustainable?

Ontario started Phase 1 on the 18th, had a bump in cases for 2 days (likely from Mother's Day) which was largely offset by recoveries. We're almost 14 days from that Phase 1 opening and we're not seeing massive spikes. In fact, they're only at 50% of their testing goal because people haven't been out anywhere and don't need tests.
 

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Not sure anyone is talking about locking down for a year. 

We seem to be in a good spot for most of Ontario though.

So yes, start opening in a phased approach like we are doing, isolate clusters and get businesses going as soon as possible.  I think that is what’ s happening here.
 

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daftandbarmy said:
I wonder which consulting company they 'partnered' with? ;)

BPOP.... haven't heard that one yet. Not sure what it stands for but seems 'innovative'.

BPOP - Blank Piece Of Paper
 
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