There is certainly this aspect. Which is why I'm not proposing that they be eliminated entirely.
Sure, but that's counselling. Which is well within the social worker's wheelhouse. There are some members for which a religious-based form of counselling would be more effective, but as society becomes less and less religious over time, the degree to which we'd need Padres in that role is decreasing.
The problem is that, due to the impact of the religious doctrine, the ability to effect change can and will vary in ways that disadvantage already disadvantaged demographics in the CAF.
If there's a trans member who is experiencing harassment at their unit, I do not trust an ordained member of a religious organization which views the very existence of transgender people as an affront to their god to be able to come up with a solution that adequately deals with the harassment.
I would, however, trust a social worker to.
The only reason that you haven't seen social workers achieve "that type of effect" is simply because that's not how we've been using social workers.. Because we have Padres already filling that role.
I've never seen a social worker steal from a mess and say nothing when junior members get blamed for their theft (until caught red-handed). I have seen that happen with a Padre.
Let's try to focus on generalities instead of whether or not one specific member you met once happened to be bad.
And how are you proposing to remove biases and personal beliefs from Social Workers?
I attended my Wings FVAT workshop recently. One of the speakers was a civilian SW and FM specialist who constantly referred to the violent relationship mbr as “he” and the victim as “her”. The FV instance I was involved in (as the SWO) recently, the alleged victim was a male. The same mbr also went to MH, saw a SW who he said was next to useless. His word were “I could tell I was just another appointment on their calendar” and basically won’t go back.
I went to a Padre for advice on the situation because they have experience with this. There is a level of trust that has exited for decades between service mbrs and Padres, and I don’t practice any faith.
In the recent past, I was the DA to a VSI mbr. The Padre was an integral part of the care team. A SW - not.
Ref your part about a trans mbr; the Rabbi who supported me/the Wing I was on was a Rabbi. The VSI mbr was RC. When the VSI mbr wished to speak to a Padre, a RC Padre was contacted. There are simple solutions to these simple problems.
Suggesting SWs, with or without a Masters Degree (which I could care less about. Education and ability have been proven to not go hand in hand countless times) will come without their own personal beliefs, values and agendas is wishful thinking. They are people and all people bring those to the table.
I've dealt with non-military social workers before. Perhaps military ones are different but I really can't see any trained social workers having the mindset to rub shoulders with their potential clients like chaplains do.
Maybe you misinterpreted my post. I actually agreed that a trans member wanting to join, would be ill-served by a religion that does not accept trans folks
My Det Chief asked the Ship’s Anglican Padre, with all seriousness, to bless the Helicopter after we had been having a bad run of serviceability.
The Padre took the request seriously, invented a short but solemn ceremony that was well attended. I was surprisingly touched by the effort he put into it and how thoughtful his message was.
Nobody, including the Padre, thought the blessing was going to “fix“ the helicopter. It was, however, a neat bit of psychology on the Detachment members . Never underestimate ceremony…
He was the best Padre I have ever seen. Heroic, funny, compassionate, smart as a whip. I did have to stop him one day from offering physical violence to a particularly clueless PAO, but, to be fair, he was severely provoked and somehow his anger just endeared him more to me.That is a nice story and post!
Get in line.He was the best Padre I have ever seen. Heroic, funny, compassionate, smart as a whip. I did have to stop him one day from offering physical violence to a particularly clueless PAO, but, to be fair, he was severely provoked and somehow his anger just endeared him more to me.