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The impediment to police misconduct would seem to be police unions.
Ironman118 said:i'm not the spokesperson for incompetent police in Canada.
Infanteer said:To be fair, from what I'm seeing there are many African Americans who don't feel comfort and security with their police force.
dapaterson said:"Defund" is generally used as a provocative term for a less provocative outcome: Not elimination, not removal, but restructure and redirecting funding toward social services.
But "Budgetary discussions to examine reallocation and better balancing between security and social services" certainly lacks the cachet and fails to draw attention like the phrase "defund".
Weinie said:I am certain that mental health services, social housing, inequity programs, and the responses to the host of other societal ills that exist could be somewhat mitigated by an infusion of resources. But without a stable society, enabled by a justice system that is enforced and supported, there is no ability to look at societal advancement or wrongdoings.
dapaterson said:But spending on police (particularly on wages) has exploded to the point where a third year constable in any urban force will be in the top 10% of Canadian earners. Is that sustainable?
Rabbit hole. Don't get distracted by police wages or how they arrived at their present level.dapaterson said:Watching a MN PD convoy drive past peaceful protesters and having officers in vehicles randomly spraying riot control agents at them as they drive by, one must ask where the destabilizing elements are vested, whether justice will ever be seen for that misconduct, or how advancement is possible.
It's not an either/or. But spending on police (particularly on wages) has exploded to the point where a third year constable in any urban force will be in the top 10% of Canadian earners. Is that sustainable?
Weinie said:Rabbit hole. Don't get distracted by police wages or how they arrived at their present level.
You need an underlying foundation of societal agreement of what is wrong and right. Historically, and collegially, we in western democracies have determined that a system of beneficial mores, enacted by Parliament (or equiv), dispensed by a justice system, and enforced by a policing or common good mechanism, is a good thing.
mariomike said:Emergency services unions protect those who protect us.
Remius said:All good points. And you are correct about pay being a separate issue. An issue that needs addressing and likely contributes to understaffing (costs etc). Police want more people on the job but municipalities are hard pressed to pay for them.
But back to your point about societal agreement. What happens as we are seeing in the US when the public trust is irrevocably broken? How do you fix that without doing away with something and rebuild it?
Our local police is getting close to losing that trust with several incidents of racism, corruption and low morale. How do they fix that without renewal or change?
Or is everything just ok?
I read that report. The report of the 1919 riot in Chicago, and it is as if I were reading the report of the investigating committee on the Harlem riot of 1935, the report of the investigating committee on the Harlem riot of 1943, the report of the McCone Commission on the (1965) Watts riot. I must again in candor say to you members of this commission — it is a kind of Alice in Wonderland — with the same moving picture shown over again, the same analysis, the same recommendations, and the same inaction.