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7 May 2022 "Sinn Fein calls for united Ireland debate after historic election win"

Halifax Tar

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Why can't people just accept that there are two Irelands and a lot of people in one of those Irelands doesn't want to be part of the other Ireland.

Why can't people just accept there are many different Canada's ?

Why ? Because both places are still dealing with the fall out of foreign invasion, occupation, oppression and according to some cultural genocide.
 

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Why can't people just accept there are many different Canada's ?

Why ? Because both places are still dealing with the fall out of foreign invasion, occupation, oppression and according to some cultural genocide.

You're talking about the Vikings, right?
 

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Why can't people just accept that there are two Irelands and a lot of people in one of those Irelands doesn't want to be part of the other Ireland.

I asked a person in NI that same question once. They knew I was a Canadian. They replied with a story that went kind of like this:

'Well, once upon a time everyone lived together on this big Island but there was this terrible revolution, sparked by those who felt persecuted by the 'evil British' and who wanted their freedom.

The people in the southern part of the Island won the revolution, declared an Independent Republic, elected a President, and kicked out all those Loyal to Britain, many of whom had lived there for hundreds of years.

They pushed them up to the northern part of the Island, where most of those who were Loyal to Britain tended to live due to historical settlement patterns. The Republic kept all the land these 'loser' Loyalists left behind.

Since the Republic was established, the people in the south continued to agitate to take over the northern part of the Island, in one way or another, and the people in the north always felt threatened and insecure....

... you know, kind of like Canada."

More proof that the Irish are great story tellers ;)
 

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Why can't people just accept there are many different Canada's ?

Why ? Because both places are still dealing with the fall out of foreign invasion, occupation, oppression and according to some cultural genocide.
I thought there was a single, unified Canadian identity? At least, based on folks criticizing others who've said there isn't a single Canadian identity, even there are shared values, you'd think there is? ;)

Goofiness aside, you've hit the nail on the head - lots of places around the world are dealing with the same ingredients you mention, with very different stews resulting (NI, former Yugoslavia, Canada, UKR-USSR 2.0, etc.)
 

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There's actually only one Ireland, that's the island called Ireland. Anyone born one that island is Irish no matter what part they live in. The Republic of Ireland is just the republican country that covers part of the island of Ireland. People need to stop confusing political entities with geographical ones. The republic and NI just need to work out some sort of confederation, an Irish Union (or whatever they want to call it). There's no reason why there can't be a republican part and a royalist part of the island of Ireland and these 2 parts be part of some sort of political union. No reason, but also no will.
 

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I thought there was a single, unified Canadian identity? At least, based on folks criticizing others who've said there isn't a single Canadian identity, even there are shared values, you'd think there is? ;)

Goofiness aside, you've hit the nail on the head - lots of places around the world are dealing with the same ingredients you mention, with very different stews resulting (NI, former Yugoslavia, Canada, UKR-USSR 2.0, etc.)

I believe our PM would have you believe Canada does not have an identity at all and post nationalism and all that jazz ;)

Like I said before, I'd love to see island whole again but I want peace more.
 

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The island is whole. Just 2 political entities on it and , as I said, no reason why they can't work out some sort of political union (if they really want to).
 

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Didn't say it would be easy. There would have to be a will on both sides, which there is not right now.
 

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Anyone born one that island is Irish no matter what part they live in.

Even if neither you, or either of your parents, were born there. I've never even been to Ireland.


You can become an Irish citizen if one of your grandparents was born in Ireland.
 
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