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2 men hack soldier to death in UK, are then shot and wounded by police

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I'm beyond words.  Sick, sick world.  Shared under Section 29 of the Copyright Act.  Full story and photos at link.

Two men 'shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death with machetes in London street as dozens of terrified witnesses watched'
Soldier wearing a Help for Heroes t-shirt was hacked to death by two men, it is claimed
Eyewitness says: 'They were hacking at him, chopping him, cutting him'
The two men were then reportedly shot dead by armed police
Police gave only said they were called to an 'incident' in Woolwich

By Rob Cooper
PUBLISHED: 14:49 GMT, 22 May 2013 | UPDATED: 15:46 GMT, 22 May 2013

Two people were today believed to have been shot by armed police after hacking a man to death with a machete in front of dozens of eyewitnesses.  Police were called this afternoon to reports of an assault in Woolwich, south London where witnesses claimed a man wearing a Help For Heroes t-shirt was attacked with knives.  The pair were then confronted by armed police and apparently shot by a female officer as they brandished weapons including a revolver.  This afternoon the area’s MP, Nick Raynsford, told BBC Radio 5 Live he believed the victim of the attack was a serving soldier. The scene of the attack is just yards from Woolwich Barracks.

A picture published on Twitter by an eyewitness appeared to show three bodies lying on the floor.  Mr Raynsford told the BBC: Mr Raynsford said: 'The circumstances causing the incident are not yet clear. It's been suggested it was the product of a road traffic accident, but that's pure speculation.  'We think a serving soldier was the victim. We don't know the circumstances surrounding the incident.  'We do know a number of weapons have been seized. They include a gun, various knives, and a machete, apparently.  'The police clearly had to take action in order to try and arrest these individuals.'

One witness, identified as James, said he and his partner saw two black men attack the young victim with knives, including a meat cleaver.  'They were hacking at this poor guy, literally,' he told LBC. 'They were hacking at him, chopping him, cutting him.'  Fighting back tears, James said the men treated their victim as a 'piece of meat' after he was dead.
'These two guys were crazed,' he told the radio station. 'They were just animals. They dragged him from the pavement and dumped his body in the middle of the road and left his body there.'

Luke Huseyin, 32, who lives in a block of flats on John Wilson Street, Woolwich, close to where the incident happened said he watched two men murder a man before being shot.
He said: 'I was at home and heard a big bang. I looked out of the window and saw a car had crashed.  'It was a blue Vauxhall. Then two black guys got out of the car dragging a white guy across the road towards the wall. One of the guys had a knife that looked about a foot long and a machete and the other bloke had a gun.  'They started slashing him up with the knife and hitting him in the stomach with the machete. I don't think it took long before he was dead.

There were people passing by who were screaming and running away. I've never seen anything like it.  'I'm still really shaken up. When he was dead, they dragged him out into the road and left him there.  'It was strange, they didn't run off, they just stood there as if they were waiting for the police.  'It must've taken about 20 minutes for the police to arrive, I think it must've been because they were waiting for armed police.  'The police officers got out of the car and the two black men ran towards them with the gun.  'The police shot them. They fell to the ground. Then a helicopter landed. Think it must've been an air ambulance.  'The paramedics got out and I think they were working on the two men to try and keep them alive.  'I don't know if they died, they were taken away in the helicopter. A blanket was put over the white guy lying in the road. 'I just can't believe what I saw.'

David Dixon is the headteacher of Mulgrave Primary School, which is located about 50 metres from the scene of the incident. He saw a body in the road after realising something was happening and immediately locked down the school.  He said: ‘It was at the end of our road. As soon as we realised it was serious I went to see what had happened and then told staff to lock down the school and get the children inside. I spoke to police to ask what we should do.  ‘There seemed to be a body in the middle of the road. The traffic was backed up and the police were on the scene.

A woman working in an office overlooking the incident in Woolwich said: 'I can see three bodies lying in the road with red blankets over them.
'All the bodies are within about 30-40 metres of each other. It looks like the police have covered them over.  'I could see armed police all over the place. There was a lot of commotion, police running around in all different directions, as if they were looking for other people.  'I've been told that a man was attacked with a machete and then the police arrived on the scene very, very quickly, and shot two men dead.'

A spokesman for the Metropolitan Police said: 'Officers were called at 2.20pm to John Wilson Street in Woolwich. It was to what we believe was an initial report of an assault.'

Twitter user Boya Dee wrote: 'Ohhhhh myyyy God!!!! I just see a man with his head chopped off right in front of my eyes!  'Oh my God!!!! The way Feds took them out!!! It was a female police officer she come out the whip and just started bussssin shots!!  'Mate ive seen alot of s*** im my time but that has to rank sumwhere in the top 3. I couldnt believe my eyes. That was some movie s***.'  He added: 'The two black bredas run this white guy over over then hop out the car and start chopping mans head off with machete!!
'People were asking whyyy whyyy they were just saying we've had enough! They looked like they were on sutn! Then they start waving a revolver

'Then boydem turn up!! Woolwich feds didnt want it... They had to wait for armed response.. Helicopters everyting...  'Then thats how u know they were on sutn cos they actually went for armed feds with just two machete and an old rusty lookin revolver  'The first guy goes for the female fed with the machete and she not even ramping she took man out like robocop never seen nutn like it  'Then the next breda try buss off the rusty 45 and it just backfires and blows mans finger clean off... Feds didnt pet to just take him out!!
'These times i was just going to the shop for some fruit and veg and i see all that!' 

A spokeswoman for London Ambulance Service said: 'We were called a 2.20pm to reports of an incident at John Wilson Street.  'We sent two responders in cars, three ambulance crews, two duty officers and London Air Ambulance were called out. 'We still have staff at the scene.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329089/Two-men-shot-armed-police-hacking-soldier-death-machetes-London-street-dozens-terrified-witnesses-watched.html#ixzz2U2OdLz1r
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Damn. Reminds me of the guy on the bus a few years ago, who just started stabbing another passenger and cut his heart out, remember that one? Rest of the passengers unassed the bus and stood around while this looney was inside, and when the cops showed up he wanted to die.
 

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Jacky Tar said:
Damn. Reminds me of the guy on the bus a few years ago, who just started stabbing another passenger and cut his heart out, remember that one? Rest of the passengers unassed the bus and stood around while this looney was inside, and when the cops showed up he wanted to die.

And now, after a short visit to our Selkirk Mental Hospital, he is eligible for unescorted day passes.... and to go to the beach....the voices tell him which one to go to..... ::)
 

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I really hate how the media use Twitter and Facebook quotes in their story.
 

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apparently shot by a female officer as they brandished weapons including a revolver.

My bold. Was it really necessary to identify the gender of the officer?

As to the story, its almost unbelievable. RIP to our British brother.
 

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Holy frack!

Condolences to the family, colleagues and friends of the victim ....
 

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More from the Mail Online story:

    "A dramatic video emerged tonight of a man with bloodied hands, carrying knives and ranting 'We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you', after a serving soldier was hacked to death by two men
      just 200 yards from an Army barracks.

      The man can be seen and heard talking to the camera in footage obtained by ITV News.
      ...

      It is thought that the two men waited around for 20 minutes until police arrived and then tried to attack them - but were swiftly shot by armed officers including a woman.

      They apparently shouted 'Allah Akbar', which means 'God is great' in Arabic, and tried to film the attack, the BBC's political editor Nick Robinson said."

I'm going to jump way out on a limb and suggest that we are in a Clash of Civilizations and one of them has harnessed religious fervor - which is, generally, prevalent amongst the most poorly educated who are, also generally, amongst the most economically poor.

The solution is not a war on Islam but it is a war on ignorance ... freedom of conscience does not, must not include freedom to incite violence. (Please not I did not say to incite hatred, I think freedom of expression does allow you to promote hate, in other words I think all hate speech/hate crime laws are wrong. But inciting violence is another matter entirely - I appreciate that the line is fine but that doesn't mean that its' not there.)

When we talk, seriously, about inequality we are not really worried about the few super-rich, some (many?) of them are odious but they are not a danger to society; what we are worried about is the too large lower (lowest) class that is chronically poor, generation after generation, chronically ill educated and ripe for radicalization. They, the lowest class, are not just a drain on society they are a threat to it.

And here is the face of ignorance, radicalized and harnessed as a weapon in the Clash of Civilizations:

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Shocking: This exclusive still from a video obtained by ITV News shows a man with bloodied hands
and carrying knives speaking to a camera in Woolwich, south-east London
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Jacky Tar said:
Damn. Reminds me of the guy on the bus a few years ago, who just started stabbing another passenger and cut his heart out, remember that one? Rest of the passengers unassed the bus and stood around while this looney was inside, and when the cops showed up he wanted to die.

Vince Li is the killers name, Tim McLean was the victim. Vince Li was found Not Criminally Responsible (NCR) and now resides in an institution near Winnipeg. Mr. Li has now been approved to walk unescorted on the grounds and has escorted visits to the local area. His lawyer and the doctors describe him as a model patient.

My condolences to the person that was the victim of the cowards who killed him. May those cowards rot in.....you know where, no virgins....


CNN just showed the video of one of the perpetrators of this cowardly attack. Gruesome, even for us.
 

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The UK is facing an upsurgence in anti-immigration feelings with the rise of radical Islam and other religious and cultural beliefs spreading in large immigrant ghettos.  The UK is soon reaching a boiling point where we may start to see race and religious confrontations becoming very violent and as the authors Rob Cooper, Mark Duell and James Rush of this article write a coming "Clash of civilizations".
 

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GAP said:
And now, after a short visit to our Selkirk Mental Hospital, he is eligible for unescorted day passes.... and to go to the beach....the voices tell him which one to go to..... ::)

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?! Please tell me you're pulling my leg?
 

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Jacky Tar said:
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?! Please tell me you're pulling my leg?

Well......he told them in a nice calm voice that he promises not to do it on a Greyhound bus again, and the voices agreed. Voila!! cured!
 

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Absolutely disgusting. 

I agree that the UK already has huge issues and ethnic clashes going on.  And I fear it's only going to get worse from here.  There's definitely something to be said for integration and the scrapping of the idea of multiculturalism.

The original "Clash of Civilizations" thesis by Huntington.  Worth a look if nothing else (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clash_of_Civilizations#Why_Civilizations_will_Clash)

 
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It annoys me to no end when these types survive the contact with police.  I much prefer how the SAS dealt with the terrorists in Gib.  (when asked at the board of inquiry why they shot the terrorists 29 times, they apparently replied that that was all the ammunition they possessed)
 

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jollyjacktar said:
It annoys me to no end when these types survive the contact with police.  I much prefer how the SAS dealt with the terrorists in Gib.  (when asked at the board of inquiry why they shot the terrorists 29 times, they apparently replied that that was all the ammunition they possessed)

It may be time to recreate the "Spanish Inquisition".  >:D








That was said in jest, but the question does have some merit.  Will we find that we will have to stoop to a level where certain religious and cultural beliefs may have to be purged from our society in order to prevent it from devolving into chaos and violence?  Will we have to resort to violence, as we did in our World Wars, to prevent an onslaught of violence from what we perceive as a backward, medieval, violent culture/religion?  Are we about to embark on a new Religious War; one not to spread our beliefs, but one to preserve them from being violently destroyed by a religion that believes in world domination?  Are we approaching a crossroads? 
 

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I prefer them to be shot multiple times, then arrested.  Before being tried, and then convicted to death.  Gets rid of the entire martyr thing.  The Israeli's tend to dump their ashes in the middle of the ocean somewhere to prevent their graves from becoming monuments.


Ex:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Eichmann#Execution
 
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