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Not so long ago, I read an article in which Airbus claimed that the maintenance costs for the A400 would be much lower than the "problem plauged" C130J.  I'd like to know how Airbus can quote maintenance costs for an airplane that has so far only been built on a draftsman's computer. ::)

...mmmm...Winnipeg doesn't have those type of problems.  ::) That being said, Belleville is nicer but more expensive and still a smaller city.

Inch,  Certainly there is merit to what you are saying once a student makes it to phase III or even to the OTU, but I would have to disagree with the idea that Pipes don't make good instructors (and no, I'm not one.) Considering the scope of phase II, the Pipeliners have all the experience...

My guess is that the problem is not necessarily finding a the most suitable aircraft to replace the Buff, but rather finding the money to do so.  Especially with other big ticket items already in the shopping cart.  As for Buff upgrades...could work, but often these upgrade options work out...

Zorro, Portage runs a multi-engine training course using the King Air 90 only and further aircraft training is done at the specific OTU's.  Since there is no OTU for the C-17 here in Canada, pilots will be sent down to Altus, AFB in Oklahoma for a 4 month course. Hope that answers your...

Andrew, It's probably more in the area of an infanteer to answer the question of whether or not A-10's would be useful to them on the ground to the CF troops, but as an airforce member and a realist, I can tell you that the bleeding hearts in this country would never allow it.  We had enough...

;) Globe, Thanks for the great and very comprehensive answer! One more quickie...how long is that training course down at Altus? Kingfisher

:salute: Globe, Since you're one of the few guys in this country who have actually flown the C-17, what's your opinion of Pipeliners going onto this airplane as a first tour? Other than the obvious career advantages of getting into such a large A/C early in one's career, for a first tour guy...

:salute: Globe Wow!  That's quite a resume! I bet it really must burn your A@#$ to read the ignorant and uninformed "journalism," and subsequent comments written by know-nothing bleeding hearts regarding the C-17.  (Did I say Dawn Black or only think it?)  I read one post in the Globe where...

;)  Let's just hope and pray that there won't be an election before the aircraft arrive lest we get a Chretien style chop job!

Max, Pipeliners on the airbus or challenger would be great, but the last briefings we had from the career managers here in Moose Jaw was that there would be no pipliners on these airframes because there is no OTU for them.  Only an "on the job training" type of thing...But the C-17, rumour has...