lenaitch
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That's some fine bureaucratic speechifying right there.
Our North - SSE Policy Update Megathread
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GR66
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Since we already have existing armoured vehicle production (of the literal "LAV") in London I'm guessing that they're talking about something else here.
My guess is they're looking at something like Roshel rather than new IFV's or other heavy vehicles.
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Paul Wells
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“On Monday Justin Trudeau published detailed thoughts about a key function of government that, in Canada, is a matter of exclusive federal jurisdiction. Also on Monday, the moon cast a daytime shadow over much of North America. One of these events was a rare and perplexing phenomenon you would be unwise to look at with unprotected eyes. The other was a solar eclipse.”
Opening paragraph:
“On Monday Justin Trudeau published detailed thoughts about a key function of government that, in Canada, is a matter of exclusive federal jurisdiction. Also on Monday, the moon cast a daytime shadow over much of North America. One of these events was a rare and perplexing phenomenon you would be unwise to look at with unprotected eyes. The other was a solar eclipse.”
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I took the above as being the important bit. Yes there is a factory but what is it going to do? Will GDLS-London have other customers than the CAF? The US? the Saudis?
GDLS-London may have to exist on Canadian purchases alone. It may have to expand into a tracked alternative? Are 1000 LAV's enough to keep it going with refits and new builds?
I dont know about Roshel it has its own competitors in Streit and Inkas in particular and I dont know what product niche they would fill in the CAF? Replacing the G-wagen?
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The product niche might just be Canadian industrial benefits (and related votes) rather than a clearly defined military capability
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I just dont see it or understand what would drive it. I guess one of Roshel/Streit/Inkas could partner with GM/Ford/Dodge/etc to deliver on the LUV replacement program and that might be worth sustaining. But I dont think Roshel originally submitted/requested on that
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That's never happened before, and surely our professional, serious government would not apply such logic now.
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Most accurate summary came from him.
I was waiting for Mike Day to provide something insightful, but he just seemed to give it a shrug. Perhaps also accurate.
I was waiting for Mike Day to provide something insightful, but he just seemed to give it a shrug. Perhaps also accurate.
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The key word is “program.” A production program does not mean a production line exists. It means we have a funded, continuous process to to have new LAV built (as opposed to our current system of running a project to get a defined quantity of LAV and then closing the project). So potentially an open ended commitment to keep new CA vehicles rolling off the London production line.
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Today was interesting, no one is sure if this means we are actually getting some NP increases this year for ship maintenance to fund something like the massive shortfalls for the CPF DWP projects, or if it's just the budget getting 'increased' from the previous cut (so maybe a net zero or small increase). Or if it's actually some kind of accountant black magic for funding that was already known about on the books but not officially approved, like a half a billion dollar plus planned DWP.
Does seem like NICP buys are already blown the budget though a week into it, so may only be buying parts that come in with an HPR (which again, is why the min/max DRMIS levels are made up and don't matter) or from a mystery priority list no one knows who sets it or vets it. It's a good thing those buys are responsive and don't have 1 year+ lead time for contracting and delivery, and don't support things like DWP work, normal PM and expected CM for projected failures. Things generally become HPRs because we don't have parts on the shelf to start, and not because we didn't know it would need replaced.
Things like this directly contribute directly to attrition; you can fight through extra processes, dumb bureaucracy etc as long as there is a result at the end. If we can't buy parts at the ADM(Mat) level (again) do to funding cuts that kneecaps our entire job, and pretty dispiriting generally. On the ship side, it's frustrating to continually having to bypass and work around things instead of just fixing them and six months of freeze on NICP will have a 1-2 year tail on it even if they throw money at the problem later, as those workarounds usually just end up running other things into the ground.
Glad I'm posted, and feel bad for the team I'm leaving behind; this kind of stuff will set them back further and already way behind after a decade of bins not being filled. I'd be surprised if a few of the PS guys don't end up taking transfers to PMOs or other departments so they can actually do the job they are supposed to be doing. I think I'm going to try and finish out my career in purple jobs and see if I can recapture that sense of accomplishing something before I hit my 25 years and move on.
Here's hoping to a few ships per class getting tied up to become parts bins!
Does seem like NICP buys are already blown the budget though a week into it, so may only be buying parts that come in with an HPR (which again, is why the min/max DRMIS levels are made up and don't matter) or from a mystery priority list no one knows who sets it or vets it. It's a good thing those buys are responsive and don't have 1 year+ lead time for contracting and delivery, and don't support things like DWP work, normal PM and expected CM for projected failures. Things generally become HPRs because we don't have parts on the shelf to start, and not because we didn't know it would need replaced.
Things like this directly contribute directly to attrition; you can fight through extra processes, dumb bureaucracy etc as long as there is a result at the end. If we can't buy parts at the ADM(Mat) level (again) do to funding cuts that kneecaps our entire job, and pretty dispiriting generally. On the ship side, it's frustrating to continually having to bypass and work around things instead of just fixing them and six months of freeze on NICP will have a 1-2 year tail on it even if they throw money at the problem later, as those workarounds usually just end up running other things into the ground.
Glad I'm posted, and feel bad for the team I'm leaving behind; this kind of stuff will set them back further and already way behind after a decade of bins not being filled. I'd be surprised if a few of the PS guys don't end up taking transfers to PMOs or other departments so they can actually do the job they are supposed to be doing. I think I'm going to try and finish out my career in purple jobs and see if I can recapture that sense of accomplishing something before I hit my 25 years and move on.
Here's hoping to a few ships per class getting tied up to become parts bins!
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So, a solid C+ then?
Interesting note within the article, CDS apparently wants to increase the reg force by 14,000 bit he and the MND agreed they need to deal with the current personal shortages first.
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So what? The policy document says LAV. The given mandate is a LAV production program. GDLS could have the ability to build Gundam in London, but that doesn’t mean authority for DND to buy any.
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As far as I'm concerned this document isn't worth the pixels it's displayed on. The PM's comments after the release indicate to me that he's simply mouthing words to deflect criticism from his almost criminal neglect of the CAF
www.cp24.com
From the attached article:
Trudeau also claims:
Canada to seek to join AUKUS alliance, consider nuclear subs: PM
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says Canada is exploring the possibility of joining the second phase of AUKUS, a U.S.-led alliance with the United Kingdom and Australia.
www.cp24.com
From the attached article:
However the policy update specifically says:
Trudeau also claims:
While on the very same day Australian PM Albanase stated:
Furthermore the article goes on to state:
So no mention of even the consideration of Canada joining AUKUS by Australia or the USA, yet Trudeau claims "Canada is exploring the posibility of joining the second phase of AUKUS"? Who's he exploring it with? His navel? Because clearly he's not exploring it with the members of AUKUS.
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Simple... open up opportunities for troops to transfer in from the ARes.
No need to thank me
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There's some indication there that they are at least mouthing the words about some things that the week before they didn't even know existed. Judging by the universal reviews in the media, he failed dismally in deflecting any criticism.
And then greatly strengthen the ARes. The ARes is a proven recruiting base. One little step - design the key ARes DP1 courses so that they are equivalents of their RegF counterpart. That makes componenet transfers at the junior levels much easier and also provides a more knowledgeable augmentation base.Simple... open up opportunities for troops to transfer in from the ARes.
No need to thank me
But I've been here before.
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My primary point is that if the Feds want to keep a plant open for the purpose of continuously building armoured vehicles, the GDLS plant has produced vehicles such as MRAPs between LAV serials and sometimes even concurrently. The secondary is that it appears the army does require more than 1 type of vehicle in continuous production otherwise only LAV would be kept current and the rest of the “fleets” continue to exist in large, unconnected acquisitions that simply end (such as TAPV) until a replacement is required. It’s noteworthy that Oshkosh offered to have a continuously producing plant in London as part of their failed bid for TAPV (alongside the LMI plant).
I would note though that the LAV is simply a code word for jobs in London, where the Libs are in danger of losing all of their seats. They really don’t care if the army has an endless supply of any vehicles, they just want to hold onto the bastion in SWO.
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It’s all part of that pesky leadership thing. Know your troops and promote their welfare. The CO and at least the Adjutant should have insight on MELs etc
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