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Global Warming/Climate Change Super Thread

Have you checked the price of any new cars lately?

Ya we just bought one last spring for under MSRP.

When you factor in you're not paying for gas, and very little maintenance it equals out, depending on what you buy.

The caveat is you have to drive enough to save the gas money.

I personally don't drive enough which is why I have a $2000 beater 4x4 SUV. Let me know when I can buy a beater EV for that price and I'll happily sit with the other idiots at the charging stations in -30c.
 
When you factor in you're not paying for gas, and very little maintenance it equals out, depending on what you buy.

The caveat is you have to drive enough to save the gas money.
Yeah, a tesla owner I spoke to said his annual maintenance is a fraction of what it was for his combustible engine vehicle. He was an Uber driver and it seems that a tesla made perfect sense for him.
 
Let me know when I can buy a beater EV for that price and I'll happily sit with the other idiots at the charging stations in -30c.
If you’re not buying a new car then it’s never going to make sense. Side note, you can run the heat while it’s charging, but I just charge in my garage while I’m sleeping and almost never need to use a charger away from home.
 
Yeah, a tesla owner I spoke to said his annual maintenance is a fraction of what it was for his combustible engine vehicle. He was an Uber driver and it seems that a tesla made perfect sense for him.
There’s a dude in Toronto with something crazy like 300,000 kms on his model 3 doing Uber.
 
Yeah, a tesla owner I spoke to said his annual maintenance is a fraction of what it was for his combustible engine vehicle. He was an Uber driver and it seems that a tesla made perfect sense for him.

100% makes sense for an Uber driver.

My understanding is there really isn't maintenance outside of breaks and tires. Maybe some coolant somewhere? I stand to be corrected.

Unless something fails. But I don't feel like that happens often enough to be a major concern.

The added cost might be the installation of home charging station ? It might be advantageous to have those added to the price of the vehicle. Or give an equal value tax break to those households with an income less than 100K let's say.
 
100% makes sense for an Uber driver.

My understanding is there really isn't maintenance outside of breaks and tires. Maybe some coolant somewhere? I stand to be corrected.

Unless something fails. But I don't feel like that happens often enough to be a major concern.

The added cost might be the installation of home charging station ? It might be advantageous to have those added to the price of the vehicle. Or give an equal value tax break to those households with an income less than 100K let's say.
Pretty much what he said. Brakes, tires etc.

Some dealerships are starting to offer home charging installation as incentives. When I bought my current home in 2018 the builder was offering and pushing EV charge stations as an upgrade.
 
The added cost might be the installation of home charging station ? It might be advantageous to have those added to the price of the vehicle. Or give an equal value tax break to those households with an income less than 100K let's say.
I paid $450 to get it wired the first time (I just had him wire a NEMA 14-50 outlet), $900 the second time because of labour shortages and because I had them use a larger gauge for expansion. The charger itself I think was around $650. Some of the manufacturers are offering an installation credit or DCFC credit. My leaf I can sometimes drain the battery in a day so the faster charge is useful, for a larger battery it might not be necessary since there’s so much buffer and it spends so much time in the garage.
 
When I bought my current home in 2018 the builder was offering and pushing EV charge stations as an upgrade.
My builder called it a 50A welder outlet, in my garage. Probably can take a Level 2 charger if I ever decide to have a vehicle with less than a 1300km range and don’t want to tow 7,000lbs.
 
And that's the hitch.

EVs are perfect for the urban folk don't drive far and don't tow/haul loads. EVs are the perfect grocery getter and hockey bag hauler.
Not true for the last part when factoring in the distances, overnighters, and adverse weather associated to any competitive hockey.
 
So by this point everyone has discovered that advantages depend on context and no one platform fits all uses?

Moving on...

If people are arguing that we have to take steps to mitigate past shortsight and to internalize former externalities, then obviously the time to consider the externalities that will have to be mitigated for EVs is right now and stop waffling and hand-waving over the real problems with converting a large fraction of the passenger vehicle fleet.
 
Pretty much what he said. Brakes, tires etc.

Some dealerships are starting to offer home charging installation as incentives. When I bought my current home in 2018 the builder was offering and pushing EV charge stations as an upgrade.
An Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment (EVSE - the 'charger' is in the vehicle) circuit iwas briefly added to the Ontario Building Code until Ford pulled it. I don't recall what the mandated amperage was.

Chevrolet incentive:

 
Nice work, Science:


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If I bought a new F150 EV, and towed my 21' cargo trailer, I would get about 100 miles per charge. By the time I got where I was going, vacation would be over.
 
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